Birth/Baptism Lookup Pls - c1859. Portsmouth/Portsea **COMPLETED**

[TAP1970]

Evening people

I have searched the usual freebmd website to find my ancester Thomas (Philip) Hancock.  I have found him on several census, his marriage in 1879 to Harriet Good but I cannot find his birth. (If indeed it was registered)

The different census make his birth year circa 1859 and stated that his was born in portsmouth/portsea. 

Many thanks in advance.
Tracy

[Little Nell]

Hi Tracy

FreeBMD is not complete, but an ongoing project.  You need to search the complete GRO indexes before you can say for certain that it might not be registered.  This can be found on

http://www.ancestry.co.uk

It is free to search - choose the complete images not the partial records, which are merely a copy of the FreeBMD site.

Nell

[TAP1970]

Thanks Little Nell

A bit confused....and after your expertise advice...

I went back onto freebmd website and in fact ended up finding a Thomas Phillips Hancock - Jun 1858.  I downloaded the actual document to check the GRO details are correct but it was not to clear if it was page 338 or 358 (2b is the vol) on the original. 

I thought I would do a cross reference and see if it was on Ancestry.  Nothing is listed under the Q2 June 1858 vol 2b pg 338 or 358 district Portsea on Ancestry - which makes me more confused.  If it is on freebmd should it not be on Ancestry?  Is there another way of checking - without having to visit the Family Records Centre in London?
Kind regards
Tracy

[ch3eky]

Hi,I was just reading your posting.I found it on FreeBMD by listing Portsea as birthplace and it says June 1858,vol 2b,page 358.Rather than order through GRO you can contact Portsmouth Records Office and they normally send certificates out faster than GRO London.Good luck.

[TAP1970]

Many thanks Ch3eky

Tracy

[Valda]

THOMAS PHILIP HANCOCK    
Christening:  11 SEP 1859   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK  
Mother:  MARIA  

Siblings

ANN ELIZABETH HANCOCK Birth:  29 JAN 1857    
Christening: 11 SEP 1859 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

JAMES EDWARD HANCOCK Christening: 21 MAY 1865 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

EMILY MARIA HANCOCK Christening: 23 DEC 1866 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

JULIA EMMA HANCOCK Christening: 05 APR 1868 Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

THOMAS HANCOCK  
MARIA ANN STICKLAND  
Marriage:  05 JUL 1856   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Husband Age at Marriage:  21  
Wife Age at Marriage:  20
 
The birth registration for Thomas Phillips Hancock is on Ancestry in the GRO index for June quarter Portsea volume 2b, but the page numbering isn't clear - it is either 358 or 338.

Portsmouth registry office address is

Location Portsmouth
Address

Milldam House
Burnaby Road
Portsmouth
PO1 3AF

Tel +44 (0)23 9282 9041

Credit and Debit cards are accepted

Regards

Valda

[TAP1970]

Dear Valda

Many many thanks.

See this website is excellent with all the experts on it able to help individuals out.  I was searching and searching not able to find anything - including the wedding between Thomas and Maria.

Its very much appreciated to you all for helping out.   

Tracy

[Valda]

1861 census RG9 640 folio 70
7 Witton Place Portsea  Hampshire   
Thomas Hancock  25  Portsea, Hampshire,  Head Married Rope Makers Labourer
Maria Hancock  24 Portsea, Hampshire, Wife Married 
Ann E Hancock 4  Portsea, Hampshire,  Daughter 
Thomas P Hancock 2  Portsea, Hampshire,  Son 
George W Hancock  1  Portsea, Hampshire,  Son 

1871 ensus RG10 1138 folio 69
8 Lord Street Portsea  Hampshire
Thomas Hancock 35  Landport, Portsmouth Head Married Labourer Dockyard
Maria Hancock  34  Landport, Portsmouth Wife Married Staymaker
Thomas P Hancock 12 Landport, Portsmouth Son 
Jane A Hancock  9  Landport, Portsmouth Daughter     
Ellen L Hancock 8 Landport, Portsmouth Daughter     
Emily M Hancock 4  Landport, Portsmouth Daughter 
Julia E Hancock 3 Landport, Portsmouth Daughter 
Fanny Hancock  9mths  Landport, Portsmouth Daughter 

You will need to check this 1851 census entry against the details Thomas junior gives on his marriage for his father.

1851 census HO107 1659 folio 376
Swanmore Place Portsea  Hampshire   
Thos Hancock 42  Portsea, Hampshire, Head  Married Cabinet maker
Mary Hancock  35  Farlington, Hampshire, Wife Married
Thos Hancock 15  Landport, Hampshire,  Son     
Walter Hancock 2? or 12 Landport, Hampshire,  Son   
Harriett Hancock 5  Landport, Hampshire,  Daughter 
Henry Hancock 3  Landport, Hampshire, Son 
Willm Hancock 11mths  Landport, Hampshire,  Son
James Smith 25 Landport, Hampshire, Wife's Brother Married Sawyer
Margaret Smith 25 Landport, Hampshire, Wife's Sister-in-law Married

HARRIET HANCOCK 
Birth:  26 FEB 1845   
Christening:  25 AUG 1850   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  MARY 

HENRY HANCOCK 
Birth:  16 AUG 1847   
Christening:  25 AUG 1850   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK
Mother:  MARY 

WILLIAM HANCOCK   
Christening:  25 AUG 1850   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  MARY 

a possible second marriage for Thomas but this would mean either James Smith was Mary's half brother or Mary was a widow on her marriage. If it is the correct marriage you will have the details of Thomas senior's father.

THOMAS HANCOCK 
MARY FORD 
Marriage:  12 MAY 1844   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
 
WALTER HANCOCK   
Christening:  16 MAY 1841   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire,
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  JANE 

THOMAS HANCOCK   
Christening:  06 SEP 1835   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  JANE 

GEORGE HANCOCK 
Christening:  18 AUG 1833   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  JANE 

THOMAS HANCOCK 
JANE PARSONS 
Marriage:  12 FEB 1832   Saint Thomas, Portsmouth, Hampshire

Not the easiest census entry to find

1841 census HO107 414/7 folio 34 page 23
Crasswell Street Portsea Town  Hampshire
Thomas Hencoch 30 Hampshire Cabinet maker
Jane Hencoch 30  Hampshire
Thomas Hencoch 6  Hampshire
Wallter Hencoch 1mth  Hampshire

Thomas senior's second marriage should help confirm the details of his father to be sure of the baptism entry

THOMAS HANCOCK 
Birth:  21 MAY 1808   
Christening:  20 NOV 1808   Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  ANN 

possible siblings

GEORGE HANCOCK 
Christening:  15 JUN 1800   Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  ANN 

HARRIOT HANCOCK   
Birth:  09 AUG 1805   
Christening:  17 NOV 1805   Saint John, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  THOMAS HANCOCK 
Mother:  ANN 

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

1841 census HO107 415/3 folio 37 page 2
Military Row Portsea Town  Hampshire   
George Stickland 25 Labourer
Elizabeth Stickland 25  Hampshire
Maria Stickland 5  Hampshire   
George Stickland 3 Hampshire

1851 census HO107 1659 folio 170
26 St Vincent Street Portsea  Hampshire   
George Stickland 35  Pool, Dorset, Head Married Pattern Maker
Elizabeth Stickland 39 Portsea, Hampshire, Wife Married
Maria Stickland  15 Portsea, Hampshire, Daughter 
George Stickland 13  Portsea, Hampshire, Son 
John Stickland 9  Portsea, Hampshire,  Son
Susannah Thompson 49 Blakney, Norfolk, Visitor Widow
Elizabeth Stickland  17  Portsea, Hampshire, Visitor 

possible marriage

GEORGE STICKLAND 
ELIZABETH YOUNG 
Marriage:  07 JUL 1831   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire

MARIA ANN STICKLAND 
Christening:  25 JUN 1837   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  GEORGE STICKLAND 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

JOHN STICKLAND 
Christening:  11 SEP 1831   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  GEORGE STICKLAND 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

ELIZABETH STICKLAND 
Birth:  01 JUN 1833   
Christening:  04 JUN 1837   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  GEORGE STICKLAND 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

but also

ELIZABETH HUNTLEY STICKLAND 
Christening:  12 OCT 1828   Saint Marys, Portsea, Hampshire
Father:  GEORGE STICKLAND 
Mother:  ELIZABETH 

Deaths Mar 1864
Stickland  George     Portsea  2b 316

There seem quite a few potential George Strickland baptisms in Poole

Regards

Valda