BOYARD Family

[jim1]

It's evident that not all the children appear on the transcribed pages.Robert & Catherine had at least another child,Caroline c.1825(who had 2 illigitimate children,irrelavent I know just a bit of tittle-tattle).
If you want to follow this to the bitter end you need to search the Mancetter register at the War.CRO.There are a number of Robert & Johns' in Mancetter/Atherstone over the 19C. so it's perfectly conceivable these 2 brothers named children after each other.
Jim

[kiansmom]

Thank you very much Jim for all that information. Don't know when I will be able to get to Warks RO.family commintments mean very little spare time.

My Robert called his children Eliza and John, so families could well be related and named kids after each other.


Linda x

p.s have found a marriage for William Boyard jun Q 1841 in West Bromwich, would that have been after the census was taken?

[jim1]

yes,the census was taken usually end of March beginning of April except for 1861 when it was taken in June if memory serves correctly.

[Valda]

I saw that marriage on FreeBMD but the reference which makes it West Bromwich registration doesn't cross check to any other marriages - as the others on the page are all Stourbridge.

Marriages Jun 1841  
BOYARD  William     W Bromwich  18 575

The West Midlands marriage index cross references the marriage to a Mary A.

http://www.bmsgh.org/cgi/marrind.cgi?county=westmidlands#surname

West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1841
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BOYARD William DOBSON Mary A Wednesbury, St Bartholomew Sandwell 32/1/204

You could follow the instructions and order the certificate from Sandwell registry office.

Alternatively the GRO reference on FreeBMD for Mary Ann Dobson is

Marriages Jun 1841
DOBSON  Mary Ann    W Bromwich  18 675

I checked the GRO index itself at (where anyone can see them - not subscription)

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

and the page number 675 for William, is the correct reference. Before ordering I would always check the original GRO index and not just rely on FreeBMD to have transcribed the entry correctly.

Census night in 1841 was very late - it is usually the end of March or very early April. In 1841 it was 6th June. The June quarter for marriages covers marriages in the months April, May and June.

Because of the chemicals involved in the hatting process (mercury) many hatters did have a relatively short life span. Mercury poisoning is where the expression 'mad as a hatter' comes from.

"Hatters really did go mad. The chemicals used in hat-making included mercurous nitrate, used in curing felt. Prolonged exposure to the mercury vapors caused mercury poisoning. Victims developed severe and uncontrollable muscular tremors and twitching limbs, called "hatter's shakes". Other symptoms included distorted vision and confused speech. In advanced cases, hatters developed hallucinations and other psychotic symptoms."

Regards

Valda

[kiansmom]

Thanks again both. I will go to West Brom RO (am on first name terms with the registrar there) and get William's cert.The staff there are very helpful last time it only took 2 hours to get certs and they phoned me as one birth cert had a different mother to the one I had. Robert Boyard's second marriage was in West Bromwich as  was the marriage of his daughter Eliza.Just might be the break through I need with this family

Linda x

[kiansmom]

Hi again,

Have got William's marriage cert to Mary Ann Dobson.

William is 21 bachelor lockmaker his father is John Boyard Hatter so this must make William my Roberts brother?

thanks

Linda

[Valda]

Well the laws of probability strongly tell you so.

Both Robert and William are born in Atherstone (where there are baptism records for them for the right ages and to the same parents)
Both are in Walsall
Both are locksmiths
Both name John a hatter as their father (and both don't give deceased even though he probably was)
Both have a census connection with an Ann Boyard of roughly the same age who is probably their mother
Both have a rare surname (the modern database of the Office of National Statistics doesn't even recognise it as a surname that nowadays exists).

On the 1841 census there are two daughters. Mary born Staffordshire circa 1820 and Sarah not born Staffordshire circa 1830.

SARAH BOYARD 
Birth:  20 JUL 1829   
Christening:  01 FEB 1846   Atherstone Near Tamworth, Warwick,
Father:  JOHN BOYARD 
Mother:  ANN 

The only 1851 census entry I can find for Ann is in Atherstone.

HO107 2064 folio 354
Dog Lane Atherstone  Warwickshire
Ann Boyard  66 Witherley, Leicestershire, House Servant Widow

There is this possible marriage for Sarah.

SARAH BOYARD 
JOSEPH BOYARD 
Marriage:  25 DEC 1852   Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick

1861 census RG9 2174 folio 50
44 Court Little Barr Street Aston  Warwickshire
Joseph Boyard  31 Atherstone, Warwickshire, Head Married Tinplate worker
Sarah Boyard 31  Atherstone, Warwickshire, Wife  Married
Ann Boyard  7  Aston, Warwickshire, Daughter   
Harriet Boyard 6  Aston, Warwickshire, Daughter 

I can only find one Sarah Boyard on the 1851 census.

HO107 2065 folio 269
Lutterworth Road Nuneaton  Warwickshire 
Sarah Boyarde  21 Atherstone, Warwickshire,  Servant  Unmarried

Tempting though this marriage is for Mary - William was a hatter and their daughter Sarah was subsequently born in Atherstone (so the laws of probability here said I was onto a sure thing!)

MARY BOYARD 
WILLIAM WOODBURN 
Marriage:  09 APR 1844   Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick

But I tracked Mary in 1851 to Leicestershire where she was born and where she was the daughter of Robert and Elizabeth Boyard also born Leicestershire!

Regards

Valda

[jim1]

Helo Linda
Looking at the birth entries for Robert & John I wonder if the people at IGI have mixed up the names.As there is a discrepancy with the dates (22/2/14 for both & 24/1/1814 for John).
As you have positive dates suggest contacting War.CRO and ask them to check the entries.
 http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/countyrecordoffice
Jim

[kiansmom]

Thanks again all. Will contact Wark RO and see if they can help me

Linda x