Look up help wanted - BLACKMUIR

[Summers76]

Please forgive me if I have posted my request in the wrong place (newbie to site).If site moderator needs to move my post I understand.

Can anyone help me trace my grandmothers details ;

Elizabeth Blackmuir (m/n) born 1898 possibly in North East England she died in 1955 Hebburn on Tyne County Durham.

She had two sisters that I am aware of  Mary and Totty Blackmuir, and their father was called George Blackmuir who for a time lodged in Carter Ave Hebburn County Durham.

The only other details that I have is that she married Benjamin Ford  1923/24 and for a good few years they lived in Cuthbert Street Hebburn County Durham.
Any help no matter how small the links would be magic for my research............sincere thank you to anyone who can help.............Summer

[Valda]

March quarter 1924 Marriage S. Shields volume 10a page 1222
Benjamin Ford
Elizabeth F Blackmur

Births Sep 1897
Blackmur  Elizabeth Fowler    South Shields  10a 848

1901 census RG13 4742 folio 140
51 Derby Street Jarrow  Durham   
George Blackmur  49  Yarmouth, Norfolk,  Head Widower Mechanic worker (Drill)
Eliza Blackmur 16  Jarrow, Durham,  Daughter 
Thomasina Blackmur 15  Jarrow, Durham,  Daughter 
Polly Blackmur 6 Jarrow, Durham, Daughter 
Elizabeth Blackmur  4  Jarrow, Durham, Daughter 


Births Mar 1885
Blackmur  Eliza     S.Shields  10a 796a

Births Dec 1886
Blackmur  Thomason     S. Shields  10a 773

Births Mar 1895
Blackmur  Mary Ann     S. Shields  10a 879

1891 census RG12 4164 folio 142
107 High Street Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow  Durham 
George Blackmore 39 Needam, Norfolk,  Head  Married Driller
Thomason Blackmore 38 Seaton, Northumberland,  Wife Married
Eliza Blackmore  6 Jarrow, Durham,  Daughter 
Thomason Blackmore  4 Jarrow, Durham,  Daughter 
Minnie Blackmore 2 Jarrow, Durham,  Daughter 
Mary E Blackmore 7mths Jarrow, Durham,  Daughter 

Births Dec 1888
BLACKMUR  Minnie     S. Shields  10a 771   

Births Sep 1890
Blackmur  Mary Elizabeth     S. Shields  10a 854

Deaths Sep 1891
Blackmur  Elizabeth  1  S. Shields  10a 431

Deaths Sep 1900
Blackmoor  Thomasina  47  S. Shields  10a 455

and possibily

Births Sep 1882
Blackmur  George William    S. Shields  10a 766a
Deaths Jun 1885
Blackmur  George William  2  S. Shields  10a 438

Marriages Jun 1882
Blackmur  George Albert    South Shields  10a 957   
?
PRINGLE  Thomas     S. Shields  10a 957

1881 census RG11 5025 folio 62
4 Prince Consort Road Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow  Durham   
Christopher Paxman 33 Peasenhall, Suffolk, Head  Married Fireman at papermill
Elizabeth Pheba Paxman 33 London, Middlesex, Wife Married
Christopher Geo. Paxman 9 Statham, Norfolk,  Son 
Alice Damaris Paxman  7 Dockings, Norfolk,  Daughter 
Geo. Albert Blackmore  28 Fish Needham, Norfolk, Brother in Law Unmarried Barman
Rosa Blackmore  18 Fish Needham, Norfolk,  Sister in law Paper finisher
plus 1 lodger

1881 census RG11 5025 folio 65
3 Clervison Terrace Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow  Durham 
no parents recorded
Sarah Jane Pringle  20 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter
Thomason Pringle  27 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter   
Thomas William Pringle  18 Backworth, Northumberland,  Son  Apprentice joiner
Robert Wm. Marshall  10 Tynemouth, Northumberland,  Grandson
Mary J. Marshall  9 Jarrow, Durham, Granddaughter   
Isabella Marshall  7 Jarrow, Durham, Granddaughter   

1881 census RG11 5021 folio 65
Telegraph Hotel 116 High Street Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow  Durham 
Mary Ann Pringle  58 North Shields, Northumberland, Head Married Hotel Keeper
George Pringle 35 Seghill, Northumberland, Son  Unmarried Hotel keeper assistant
Eliza T. Pringle 22 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter  Hotel Keeper asssistant
 
I can't see father William Pringle in 1881.

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

1871 census RG10 1795 folio 32
Sutton  Norfolk   
George Blackmor  49  Needham, Suffolk,  Head Married Farm Bailiff
Elizabeth Blackmor 40  Portsmouth, Hampshire, Wife Married
George Blackmor 19  Needham, Suffolk, Son  Sutton  Norfolk Malster 
Rosa Blackmor  7 Needham, Suffolk,  Daughter 

Missing 1861

1851 census HO107 1821 folio 172
Street Needham  Norfolk   
George Blackmur  30  Needham, Norfolk,  Head  Married Ag lab
Elizabeth Blackmur 28 Portsmouth, Hampshire, Wife 
Elizabeth Blackmur 3 Finsbury, Middlesex, Daughter 
John David Blackmur 1  Needham, Norfolk,  Son 
next door
John Blackmur 74  Needham, Norfolk,  Head  Married Farm 62 acres 2 labourers
Ann Blackmur 62 Westwell, Norfolk,  Wife  Married
Phebe Patterson 23 Westwell, Norfolk, Daughter Married Servant
plus 1 servant

Marriages Jun 1847
Blackmur  George    Shoreditch  2 348   
Fowler  Elizabeth     Shoreditch  2 348   

Which is where your grandmother's middle name of Fowler came from

Births Mar 1848
BLACKMUR  Elizabeth Phoebe    Shoreditch  2 475

Births Mar 1850
Blackmur  John David    Depwade  13 43

Births Jun 1852
BLACKMUR  George Albert    Depwade  4b 217

Births Mar 1863
BLACKMUR  Rosa    Depwade  4b 233

1841 census HO107 758/24 folio 9 page 12
Needham  Norfolk 
John Blackmur 64 Norfolk  Farmer
Ann Blackmur 54 Norfolk
George Blackmur 18 Norfolk Servant
Pheaby Blackmur 13 Norfolk
Elizabeth Blackmur 6  Norfolk
John Wheer? 9  Norfolk
Louisa Wheer? 6 Norfolk
next door
Mary Ann Wheer? 28 Norfolk Fruiterer
Mary 12 Wheer? Norfolk
Martha 8 Wheer? Norfolk
Whalter 2 Wheer? Norfolk

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

1871 census RG10 5115 folio 129
Allotment Preston  Northumberland   
William Pringle  45  Northland, Ollotment Head Married Grocer
Mary Ann Pringle 47 Northland, Shields Wife  Married
Thomasann Pringle 17 Northland, Delavel Daughter 
Eliza Pringle 12  Northland, Backworth Daughter 
Sarah Pringle 10  Northland, Backworth Daughter 
Thomas W Pringle 7  Northland, Backworth Son 

1861 census RG9 3847 folio 39
Rivale House Backworth  Northumberland 
William Pringle 35  Prot Hill, Northumberland, Head  Married ? keeper
Mary A Pringle 37  North Shields, Northumberland, Wife  Married
George Pringle 14 Seghill, Northumberland,  Son   
Hannah Pringle 12  Delavall, Northumberland, Daughter 
Thomason Pringle 7  Delavall, Northumberland,  Daughter 
Mary A Pringle 4  Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter 
Eliza Taylor Pringle 2 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter 
Sarah J Pringle 3mths  Backworth, Northumberland,  Daughter   

Births Mar 1861
PRINGLE  Sarah Jane     Tynemouth  10b 172

Births Jun 1853
Pringle  Thomasine     Tynemouth  10b 142

1851 census HO107 2412 folio 110
Farmer's Row Seaton Delavel  Northumberland   
William Pringle 25  Northd, Backwell Married Lead Miner
Mary A Pringle  26  Northd, No Shields Wife 
George Pringle 4 Northd, Seghill Son
Hannah Pringle 2  Northd, Seaton Delaval Daughter 
Anthony Pringle 28 Northd, Backworth Brother Married Lead Miner
Elisabeth Pringle 26 Thornley, Durham,  Sister-in-law Married
Jane Pringle 4  Whitmarsh, Durham, Niece  Seaton
Hannah Pringle 2  Whitmarsh, Durham,  Niece 

Anthony would appear to be Andrew

1841 census HO107 820/12 ED2 page 1
Backworth North pit Northumberland 
Andrew Pringle 45  Colliery lab
Hannah Pringle 45   
Charles Pringle 20  Colliery lab
Joseph Pringle 20 Northumberland Colliery labourer
Andrew Pringle 15  Northumberland  Coal miner
William Pringle 15  Northumberland Coal miner
Mary Ann Pringle 13  Northumberland 
George Pringle 7  Northumberland
Hannah Pringle 5  Northumberland 

all adult ages (those over 15) rounded down to nearest 5

1851 census HO107 2394 folio 644
Waggoners Row Great Usworth  Durham   
Andrew Pringle 56  Lumley, Durham, Head Married Banksman
Hanah Pringle 56  Reighton, Durham,  Wife Married 
George Pringle 16  Backworth, Northumberland, Son 
Hanah Pringle 14 Backworth, Northumberland, Daughter 

PRINGLE, William      
Christening Date:4 Sep 1825 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father:   Andrew PRINGLE
Mother:   Hannah

PRINGLE, Charles
Birth Date:   2 May 1818   
Christening Date:18 Jul 1819 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father:   Andrew PRINGLE
Mother:   Hannah

PRINGLE, Joseph   
Christening Date:1 Oct 1820 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father:   Andrew PRINGLE
Mother:   Hannah

PRINGLE, Andrew Morris   
Christening Date:16 Mar 1823 Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland
Father:   Andrew PRINGLE
Mother:   Hannah

Regards

Valda

[Summers76]

Dear Valda......
What can I say but a very sincere     Thank You
for all the fantastic information that you have posted.
Truly it must have taken you hours...I have tried a few times to find links on the census returns, but with no luck at all..

When I posted the original request, I thought maybe..just maybe, I may get a few leads......
When I opened the site and saw all the details you had found....ahh!! truly my heart was racing, my head spinning.....

As a Newbie I have to ask ..What is your secret?......

In time I hope that I can help others, the way you have helped me.......truly thank you....ahh!! the (happy)tears have started again..... x Summer

[Summers76]

Dear Valda

I forgot to say yes they are all my relations......the amount of names that have been used time and time again each generation......and they are still being used to this day.

 Mega magic hugs...to say thank you again.......Summer


                               

[Valda]

Summer,

I have written the entries as they appear on the census pages not as they are indexed.
Blackmur in particular gets misindexed and the 1901 census was an opening stumbling block. Plus you had given Blackmuir not Blackmur.
I found the 1924 reference for the marriage on the Ancestry Beta index  and that the surname was Blackmur.

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

and then searched for the birth registration for Elizabeth on FreeBMD so I knew her birth area

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

and then tried again to find the crucial 1901 census entry using Elizabeth Bla* with an age within 5 years of her known age and a birthplace in her case merely the county of Durham and trawled through the possibilities. The asterisk in a search represents letters you are not sure of and is very useful in names that are mispelt and misindexed. The family were indexed as Blacknell which is someway from your original Blackmuir.

Finding Thomason was also not easy as you don't expect to find a marriage indexed for a woman as Thomas (and there were two Thomases indexed to that particular marriage - so which was it - if any)? Pringle again is another surname misindex and harder to spot until you realise it is mostly going to be Pingle. The Pringles were harder than the Blackmurs. William Pringle never gave the same birthplace on any census and neither did Thomason and therefore it helps to have local knowledge of place names when searching which I didn't have, so I was much slower knowing to change from searching from a birthplace of Seaton to a birthplace of Delavel.

To find Thomason's mother's maiden name and search for her on the 1841 census and find her marriage to William, you are probably going to have to get Thomason's birth certificate, or wait for FreeBMD to complete transcribing the marriages for that period.

This shows their coverage so far.

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/progress.shtml

Regards

Valda

[Summers76]

Dear Vada........wow! It would  have taken me years to find out all the links you posted. My grandmothers maiden name spelling was from my late mother.
As it is I have a lovely photo of Elizabeth when she was in hospital a few years before she died, she was beautiful, clear perfect skin, bright sparkly eyes and silver hair......

When her hubby (Benjamin ) re-married after her death, his new wife got rid of lots of the family photos and documents, on that side (shame..) my Aunts and Uncles were not to pleased I can tell you.

So the photo I have of Elizabeth is precious.......

Sincere thank you again, for everything.......Summer x

[Summers76]

Its been a good while since I did any research on my family roots. Only recently as I viewed the many past replies and all the help given, by so many on the site..truly I am forever thankful.

So once more I send a 'Sincere- Thank You' to those who gave me help and advice...truly each and every one of you have hearts of gold.  A trillion blessings Summers