Welsh or English? Montgomeryshire, Shropshire?

[Lemmey]

I was talking to my sister last night and she mentioned a pub with a line in where half was in England and half was in Wales.

Its not that pub is it?  She thought the line was in the pub.  Don't know how she would have seen it though as we were too young to be in the pub at the time.

I remember playing with my cousins jumping from England to Wales down the lane.  A very big jump it was too 

[polidor]

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Its not that pub is it?  She thought the line was in the pub.  Don't know how she would have seen it though as we were too young to be in the pub at the time

Hi Lemney. Believe me, it would help my own research loads if i could remember the name of the pub. i even 'googled' the pubs in Oswestry but that didn't trigger anything helpful. confused me even more [and that's not difficult!!]. Poli

[Gadget]

I think it's just south of Oswestry on the Welshpool road. Trefonen, Pant or Porth y waun  Memories again.

To my shame, my parents voted 'no' for pubs opening on Sundays in the 60s ? However, the border was only about 1/3 mile away - so no prob 

Gadget

[polidor]

I think it's just south of Oswestry on the Welshpool road. Trefonen, Pant or Porth y waun  Huh Memories again.

I think and it's a very dodgy 'think' that there was a sign in the road indicating where the border was then.  But, as you say Gadget  --memories--.
 
I'm talking well over 55 years ago and remember it as a country road, definitely not part of a town. There was a small shop nearby as i can remember buying a bottle of Dandelion and Burdock to drink. And completely off thread ---i found some Dandelion and Burdock some years ago and it tasted nothing like i remembered!!! Poli

[Lemmey]

I'm working at the moment (honest - I'm just having a quick coffee when I saw you had posted) but I've got to phone my mum this evening so I'll ask if she remembers anything about the line/pub.  She wasn't much of a one for pubs though but might remember the 'pub near the line'.

She likes it when I take an interest in that side of the family and lately I've been well sidetracked by my father's side 

p.m. me or give me the surname of your uncle if you like - it may help.  You never know    Also what year are we talking about when he ran the pub?

[Gadget]

I think this pub is definitely the one I remember Poli. There were  big trees and a shop - all leafy and sunny 

No,  dandelion and burdock just is not the same. Neither are smarties though 

And this is much less than 55 years - honest 

I was thinking that those of us from that area are neither Welsh-welsh or English-english, if you know what I mean 

One offs I think! Probably because we were in the Marches 'no man's land'. I have a super old book (written 1912) on Chirk Castle and The Hundred of Chirk. Wonderful history of the area. The Chirk Hundred stretched way south.

Gadget

[Shropshire Lass]

Could it be this one?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llanymynech

"Llanymynech is a village straddling the border between Montgomeryshire/Powys, Wales and Shropshire, England about 9 miles (14 km) north of the Welsh town of Welshpool.
The border actually passes right through the Lion Pub in the village, which has two bars in Shropshire and one in Montgomeryshire. The Lion is now closed. At one time Welsh counties were referred to as "Wet" or "Dry" depending on whether you could drink in pubs on Sundays. When Montgomeryshire was Dry it was legal to drink on Sundays in two bars of the Lion but not the other."

Monica

[Gadget]

Yep Monica - that's the one 

Thanks

Gadget

[Shropshire Lass]

I'll bet it was a busy place on Sundays!

The changes in the boundaries are very confusing in the border area.  I was helping someone look for her family and she had been told they had moved from Wales to England from one census to the next but when I looked at the actual returns they were living on the same farm.  It was the boundary that had moved around them!

Monica