Illegitimate birth

[Boongie Pam]

Sorry if I can't be overly helpful   as I don't have any credits left for SP but if that 1900 marriage in Glasgow is y'fella then it will tell you if he is a bachelor etc - though I appreciate Julia is after Lizzie.

Scots certificates give a heck of a lot more information so you can generally be certain you have your couple.

[Silas]

Thanks for that Pam.  I have requested a look-up on the Scottish board too.

[johnnyboy]

No sign of a Joseph Wigglesworth in the online New York City grooms index, but it starts in 1908, giving him a few years to get divorced and remarry in New York before the records begin. So a divorce from one wife and a second marriage in New York City between 1906 and 1908 can't be discounted entirely.

John

[Valda]

Well he may actually have had only one - who knows at this point.

Who also knows whether this Joseph who emigrated (or was he only visiting) is the same man. Was he not perhaps Joe not Joseph Wigglesworth and just a red herring!

Births Sep 1873
Wigglesworth  Joe     Huddersfield  9a 334

Everything requires evidence otherwise you play a dangerous game called assumptions. I think there are just to many 'jumping to unproven conclusions' going on here.

The evidence produced so far does not prove that Joseph Wigglesworth born Castleford married a woman called Lizzie. I think there is probably sufficient evidence to say he married or lived with in America a woman called Julia.
Who travelled to America with the two Lizzies is still up for grabs, as is who married in Glasgow in 1900 - Lizzie Wigglesworth the child was 8 in 1906!

Regards

Valda

[Valda]

This rules out the Joe from Huddersfield as a candidate

Deaths Sep 1875
WIGGLESWORTH  Joe  2  Huddersfield  9a 213 

this shows that other Josephs were known as Joe since there seem to be no birth registrations to go with these Joes - only possible Josephs.
 
Marriages Dec 1894
Wigglesworth  Joe     Leeds  9b 627   
Marriages Dec 1899
Wigglesworth  Joe     Wakefield  9c 91

The only other two Joseph Wigglesworth birth registrations are not spot on for the Joe who emigrated but at least one is very close.

Births Mar 1872
Wigglesworth  Joseph Edwin    Halifax  9a 458

and slightly further away

Births Jun 1876
WIGGLESWORTH  Joseph     Haslingden  8e 193

Births Dec 1871
WIGGLESWORTH  Joe    Wakefield  9c 44

Lets see what the Scots census turns up - might be the Joseph might not!

Regards

Valda

[katherinem]

Everything requires evidence otherwise you play a dangerous game called assumptions. I think there are just to many 'jumping to unproven conclusions' going on here.
Valda

Sorry Valda, I wasn't jumping to conclusions when I mentioned that marriage entry, I just thought it was worthy of further investigation.

Silas, What was Joseph's occupation by the way on his marriage cert to Emily? It would be interesting if it was a bricklayer.

Kath

[Valda]

Kath you are quite right that everything found should be mentioned but you are also right that just because it is found does not mean that it will turn out to be a useful piece for this jigsaw puzzle. We have to work out whether iin the end it fits or not.

There are three Joseph Wigglesworths on the 1891 census all born within 2 years of 1873 (not sure who they all are from the birth registrations) and two Joe Wigglesworths. At least one had a father who was a bricklayer.

Regards

Valda

[johnnyboy]

Hi all: I'm not jumping to conclusions either. Especially where transatlantic movement seems to be involved. The only conclusion I've reached is that the Joe Wigglesworth who emigrated from Scotland (but who was born in England) was a bricklayer, the same occupation pursued by the Joseph Wigglesworth who was married to Julia in New Jersey.

John

[Silas]

Right, I'm back.  On Joseph's marriage certificate to Emily the date of marriage is 26 March 1894 and he is a labourer, that surely rules out the Joe who married in Dec 1894. I've had a reply on the Scotland Board and there is a Joseph Wigglesworth with wife Elizabeth aged 26 and daughter Catherine aged 4 weeks in Govan, parish of Partick.

Silas