Gardiner/Gardner

[Lemmey]

The date of your Noah Gardner does not fit in with mine but there were a few Noahs so maybe its another one. 

Well assuming he's a direct relative of Mary Ann (c1827) and his surname is Gardner I am guessing one of her son's children or son's son's children. 

Do you know the father's name Sarah?

The possibles I have so far would be (all sons of Mary Ann).  Exluding Noah my g.g.grandfather as he didn't have a son called Noah as far as I know and his sons are too young.

Thomas Gardner 1853 -
I have him in 1851 as possibly married to Ellen with one adopted child and a possible older daughter, Ada (although I have a suspicion that may be his neice staying round even though the ages are out as she said she lived there and I can't find her anywhere else).  Unlikely unless he was an older dad though - he was 40 in 1891.
Verdict - Unlikely.  Also unlikely father is son of Thomas.

William Gardner 1860.  I have nothing on William after the age of 11 so he or his sons are a possible.

George Gardner 1862/5.  Married to Louisa.  Had a son George William 1888.  I have nothing on him after 1891 so he would probably have had more children.


Or then again it could be someone else 

[missjano]

The date of your Noah Gardner does not fit in with mine but there were a few Noahs so maybe its another one. 

Well assuming he's a direct relative of Mary Ann (c1827) and his surname is Gardner I am guessing one of her son's children or son's son's children. 

Do you know the father's name Sarah?

The possibles I have so far would be (all sons of Mary Ann).  Exluding Noah my g.g.grandfather as he didn't have a son called Noah as far as I know and his sons are too young.

Thomas Gardner 1853 -
I have him in 1851 as possibly married to Ellen with one adopted child and a possible older daughter, Ada (although I have a suspicion that may be his neice staying round even though the ages are out as she said she lived there and I can't find her anywhere else).  Unlikely unless he was an older dad though - he was 40 in 1891.
Verdict - Unlikely.  Also unlikely father is son of Thomas.

William Gardner 1860.  I have nothing on William after the age of 11 so he or his sons are a possible.

George Gardner 1862/5.  Married to Louisa.  Had a son George William 1888.  I have nothing on him after 1891 so he would probably have had more children.


Or then again it could be someone else 

I think George Gardner married to Louise was Noah Dad. That's was where I found the connection to everyone else, Smith, Gardners etc.

[chellin2]

This maybe no use but i have Gardiner's/Gardner/Gardener in mitcham, I have a Noah gardiner was born in 1895 in a tent on mitcham common, the family were all from mitcham and were all romany's we were also related to the smith's. I know this all a long shot but i wondered if there were any connection?

Are you sure it was Noah Gardner as I have a son Noah born to Lementamia but he was a Smith and born in 1900, my grandmothers brother.

Chellin

[Lemmey]

Yup I've found him I think.  In fact I already had him in my tree

1901 census
Gypsies Tents, Chelsham, Surrey

George Gardner 37 (1864)
Louisa Gardner 36 (1865)
Katherine L Gardner 7 (1892)
Noah Gardner 6 (1895)
Florence Gardner 3 (1898)

Class: RG13; Piece: 630; Folio: 53; Page: 16.

Assuming that is who Sarah was referring to he's my g. grandma, Lemintina's cousin.  (The son of her father's brother)

edited to add message to Sarah Jane as I forgot in my excitement of discovering another potential relative  

Sarah - do pm me if its this Noah.  We, between us, have gathered lots of information on this family

[missjano]

1901 census
Name:  Noah Gardner
Birth:  abt 1895 - Croydon, Surrey, England
Residence:  1901 - Chelsham, Chelsham, Surrey, England
Noah Parents were George and Louisa Gardner.


1891 Census

Name:  George Gardner
Spouse:  Louisa
Birth:  abt 1865 - Croydon, Surrey, England
Residence:  1891 - Mitcham, Mitcham, Surrey, England

This is the census with all us lot on as well.

[missjano]

Yup I've found him I think.  In fact I already had him in my tree

1901 census
Gypsies Tents, Chelsham, Surrey

George Gardner 37 (1864)
Louisa Gardner 36 (1865)
Katherine L Gardner 7 (1892)
Noah Gardner 6 (1895)
Florence Gardner 3 (1898)

Class: RG13; Piece: 630; Folio: 53; Page: 16.

Assuming that is who Sarah was referring to he's my g. grandma, Lemintina's cousin.  (The son of her father's brother)

edited to add message to Sarah Jane as I forgot in my excitement of discovering another potential relative  

Sarah - do pm me if its this Noah.  We, between us, have gathered lots of information on this family

That's right, George Gardener is on the 1881 census with Lemintina, and with my great grand mother Mary Anne Penfold.

[Lemmey]

That's right, George Gardener is on the 1881 census with Lemintina, and with my great grand mother Mary Anne Penfold.

Mary Ann Penfold being the daughter of Henry Penfold and Elizabeth Gardner (who was the sister of George and Noah my g.g. grandfather) 

well at least that bits clear and simple for a change    Providing, of course, we have the right one 

[missjano]

That's right, George Gardener is on the 1881 census with Lemintina, and with my great grand mother Mary Anne Penfold.

Mary Ann Penfold being the daughter of Henry Penfold and Elizabeth Gardner (who was the sister of George and Noah my g.g. grandfather) 

well at least that bits clear and simple for a change    Providing, of course, we have the right one 

Wonder why they all had the same names in those days. The son had fathers, daughters had mothers, sisters had aunts etc etc etc

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