cecil family

[bacardi]

hi all
if any one has info on cecil family in kidderminster please get intouch

bacardi x

[DaveC]

Hi,
I note that you haven't seen much interest on this site for the Cecil family.
I am looking into a family of Cecils from Sheffield and have scoured the internet and found no-one else researching that name and wondered if you had come across anything at all on the name.
My family name is Saycell from Manchester which quite often got miswritten as Cecil. I am now wondering if it was, originally, the other way round and that Saycell, in this case, is a version of Cecil.
And there is a very tenuous link to a family in Sheffield, so I am trying to gather as much as I can to look for clues.

Cheers,
    Dave

[divadw]

Dave,

There is a good history of the Saycell/cecill/cecil/ etc. family at:  http://www.ewyaslacy.org.uk/doc.php?d=rs_dic_0106

divadw

[DaveC]

Thanks for that, it makes interesting reading.
I just need to get the connection back before 1800!

Cheers,
     Dave

[divadw]

Hi DaveC,

There will be some free DNA tests available for the Cecil (and some other) surnames at the WDYTYA Live show at Olympia, London 24-26 February.  If interested, you can visit the International Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG) at stand # 433.

Cheers.

Dave

[DaveC]

Thanks for the info - unfortunatley I don't have direct contact with any suitable males - but I'll send the details to my contact list and see if they can find anybody.

Dave

[DaveC]

Just realised how old my original message was.
I have now confirmed that my original Manchester ancestor was William Cecil who was married there in 1795.
There are no other Cecils in the area preceding him.
I have determined that he is most likely to be the William Cecil born 1769 Cawood, Yorkshire, and that line can be traced back to a John Cicill born c1632 in Aughton, Yorkshire, father also John.
The Sheffield Cecils are another branch of this family.

I have seen the Cecil DNA site

Dave

[dcissell]

DaveC,


This line is of interest to me.  I have actually been to the church at Aughton, and as I remember I had to walk through someone's property to get there!

FamilySearch.org lists John Cicill as being christened 19 Feb 1632 in Aughton, near Selby. And his father is identified as "John Cicill".  There is also another John Cicill christening there listed for 28 Oct 1638 and with "John Cicill" as the father.  Given the 6-year difference in dates, I assume these were two different people, but I cannot tell for certain.

May I ask where you found the birth information for William Cecil?  And how he can be traced back to the John Cecill (b. 1632)?

Thanks.

Dave

[DaveC]

Hi,
My reasonably certain line starts with the marriage of William Cecil to Elizabeth Thomas in Manchester 1795.
He died age 89 in Mar 1850, as William Saycell, giving his birth at 1860ish.
The 1841 census has him, as Saysell, age 76 not born in Lancsahire.

There are almost no earlier records of Cecil/Saycells in Lancashire or nearby counties, and he moved all over the country before settling back in Manchester, so he had to move in there from somewhere else.

I have checked all the records I can find for other William around that time and can find plausible marriages or burials for them all, except for William Cecil baptised 1759, son of Lenard at Cawood.
I have followed the probable line back from there through Leonard 1720 s John, John 1679 s John at Clapham, to John Cicill 1638 Aughton.

This John looks to be a replacement for John 1632 - I must have picked that record out by mistake in my previous message


There is also a tenous connection to Yorkshire with an unexplained family.
In 1881 one of William's sons, Joseph is in Manchester and with him is a Samuel Saycell age 25 nephew, wife Mary and children Samuel, Elizabeth and John.
They are all described as born Manchester.
I've been unable to find anything else, anywhere, about this family.
The only "clue" is that the name Samuel doesn't figure at all in the rest of the Manchester Saycell/Cecil families, but it does crop up in the Sheffield Cecils.

Dave