The Payne Family

[vicky19]

Hiya

Yes am still subscribed to this - thanks for the interesting info on the Paynes I did not know any of it - that perhaps explinas why there are so many Paynes and Johns in particular. Sadly does not make them eay to trace back.

V

[Robert 1956]

Hello Everyone as Can be seen My name is Robert Payne I was born in 1956 in claterbridge hospital in Bebinding England. My Dads Name was Walter Payne Married to Sheila Riley. I am fairly sure that I belong in the Family tree mentioned her based on the fact that those looking here are from the Essex county area where my Father was From that being Wervin near Cheshire. My Dad is survived by a brothers named John and  Robert and a sisters named Ilene and Sheila. If any of this fits with your Family tree Please Contact me.

Rob Payne

[Daniel Thomas Payne]

I'm a Payne.
My Father 'Barrie Payne' is an Artist currently living in NORTH DEVON where he has a gallery showing/selling his work.
He comes from Southampton, where his Father John Payne worked at the Dock's and his mother Lillian (Babs) Payne built Spitfire planes during WW2 and then became an indipendent accountant.
Both John and his wife Lillian have sadly passed away.
 My Dad has a brother Chris Payne who has two children.

This is my first post. (only just registered)... post me if you think i can help?
I am Daniel Thomas Payne, 11/07/82, now living in Bristol.
I can contact 'Paynes' in my Family if there are any specifics you may need.

Thanks.
Daniel.T.Payne........................

[gayenz]

I hope the "Payne Researchers" are still monitoring this line of queries. 

I am married to a John Payne in New Zealand. A Common Name from what I can see.

He comes from the following Essex Payne Family:
 John Payne 1963 NZ /
  George Wilfred Payne 1933 NZ /
   Thomas Payne 1876 Taulau, Durham m in NZ /
    John Sidney or Sydney Payne 1854 Copford, Essex m Ann Elizabeth Cuthbert/
     George Payne 1821 Gr Coggeshall, Essex m Sarah Brown /
      George Payne 1799 Icklgham, Suffolk, England m Lucy Smith /

So my query is, does anyone have access to Essex Parish lists / actual documents please who could source / get copies of the birth details or baptism details for John Sidney or Sydney Payne 1851 Copford, Essex.

He was baptised on the same day as two other Payne's - William Henry (his confirmed brother b1851)) and Sarah (possibly a sister b1851) on 23rd June 1851 @ Kelvedon, Essex.
There is an older confirmed sister Mary Ann (b1849).

Mary Ann PAYNE’s birth was registered Dec Q 1849 ie probably born Oct - Dec 1849
William Henry PAYNE’s birth was registered Jun Q 1851 ie probably born Apr –Jun 1851

Doing the gestational maths:
The latest birth date for William is Jun 1851, which gives a conception date of abt Oct 1850. 
The earliest birth date for Mary Ann is Oct 1849

So if John Sidney PAYNE is Sarah & George's child, he must have been conceived after Oct 1849 & born before Oct 1850.

That only gives a birth window of the months of Jun – Oct  1850  ....... But he does not appear to be in the GRO – not for Essex or Suffolk – not under John, unnamed male or Sidney/Sydney - not PAYNE, PAINE or PAIN

In the Apr 1851 census John is aged 1.  So if he is George & Sarah's son he was probably born in Jun Q 1850

And then one asks ... Does the fact that John Sydney was baptised with the younger William somehow relate to all this?

My theory is that he could be the illegitimate son of some family member or acquaintance,  that he was born 1849-1850 and that George & Sarah fostered/adopted him.

Or that his mother was a very busy pregnant woman!

Any ideas will be greatly appreciated

Thanks
Gaye

[juliencooke]

Hi my grandmother was a Sullings and know there was a family connection to the Paynes at Fobbing. Her stepmother was Caroline Payne. Dies tjis help at all
Julie

[gayenz]

Hi Julie
Thanks for your message. Unfortunately it doesn't. But thank you for taking the time.
Cheers
Gaye

[gayenz]

So updating my research in the last year, the following Essex Payne Family:

 John Payne NZ /
  George Wilfred Payne NZ /
   Thomas Payne 1876 Taulau, Durham m in NZ /
    John Sidney or Sydney Payne 1850 Copford, Essex m Ann Elizabeth Cuthbert/
     George Payne 1821 Gr Coggeshall, Essex m Sarah Brown /

      George Payne 1799 Icklgham, Suffolk, England m Lucy Smith /

I have been digging deeply and after a chance visit to the ERO in person and on line, I have found Parish registry records that show the following:

   George PAYNE was actually born in 1814, Great Coggeshall
     and his parents were most likely to be:
       James PAYNE/PAIN B:1791 and Amelia FOSTER B: 1787. Both in Great Coggeshall.

Parish records for St Peter Ad Vincula, Coggeshall, Essex, have provided a wealth of information and are linked to many of this grouping for baptisms and marriages.

I have proven that George Payne did marry Sarah BROWN through all the GRO birth registrations for all the siblings of JOHN SYDNEY PAYNE.

But my question still stands, why is there NO birth registration for John Sydney Payne B: abt 1850 nor a sister, Emma Payne B: 1862?

Was he adopted? Were they both? 

DNA is proving to have no matches amongst the PAYNE nor FOSTER line. Maybe I am wrong there too.
 
Anyway, hope all the Payne researchers are still digging and maybe a FOSTER researcher might chance upon this thread.

Cheers
Gaye