Where is Thomas Jones Davies mum in 1851

[ambers]

I can’t work out how to find the mother of Thomas Jones Davies in 1851 was she a Davies or a Jones, and would really appreciate an experienced eye cast over the details I have so far:

Thomas Jones Davies.  Birth Certificate details.

Where born:  1852 St Peter Street Carmarthen
NAME:Thomas Jones
Father: David Davies.
Mother: Eliza Davies formerly Jones.
Occupation: Mariner.
Informant: David Davies St Peter St, Carmarthen.
Date Reg: 3 Sept 1852

Marriage CertificateSilou Church.Merthyr Tydfil.
25 March 1874
Thomas Jones Davies. 21—Batchelor---Printer.—3 elizabeth Place Aberdare FATHER: David Davies MARINER

Mary Davies. 21-- Canal Head, Aberdare. FATHER William Davies Canal Agent

Witnesses John Morgan Jones /Rosamond Price

1871   Census RG10 5407 F44 page24. Aberdare
Thomas Jones Davies—18—Printer--- Lodger. Carmarthen—town

1861 Census RG 9/4/39 St Peter Carmarthen
St Peter Street.

Elizabeth Jones  ---Head---W?—55—Grocery –Carmarthen
Selina Jones ---Dau—um-19--- Teacher in??? School---Carmarthen
Thomas Jones Davies-Grandson----9—Scholar---Carmarthen
Sarah Jones----Boarder---26---Scholar---Carmarthen.StLlanybie?


I can’t work out where the family are in the 1851 to trace his mum , although there is a Thomas Jones Davies HO107/2473 mine wasn’t born then and the dads name is John  not David.

Any help would be appreciated as I have only been doing this for about six months, and I am really stuck with this re-marriage.

Ambers

[Tati]

Hi Ambers,

Do you have access to census?
Have a look at HO107/2473 352 36

I'd put my money on them.

Tanja 

PS Why do you say remarriage?

[ambers]

Hi tanja,

That is one that I considered as well...

I am unable  to work out where the formerely Jones bit comes in...1851 single, 1852 Sept qrt has baby registered by David Davies

Ambers

[Tati]

Well ... formerly Jones means that her maiden name was Jones. Chances are high that she married between the date of the census and the birth of the child.

Tanja 
Possibly September 1851 Carmarthen XXVI 711 

[ambers]

Hi Tanja,

So that rules out the Davies family in St Peter street, and makes her maiden name Elizabeth  Jones?

Birth Certificate for Thomas Jones Davies says mother:
Eliza Davies formerly Jones.

So the lead is the family he was with in 1861, his grandmother Elizabeth Jones 55,  might have had a daughter named Elizabeth who was not living with them.

I did wonder if he was illegitimate because formerly can be a name you are known by from what I understand.

Ambers

[Tati]

Not sure we are talking about the same family 

The family I had spotted were the Jones family headed by Elizabeth, widow, publican. With her, a daughter Eliza, another daughter Martha and a daughter Selina.

'Formerly' is the usual way of saying 'maiden name' on certs.
 

[Tati]

As for 1861, there is a likely candidate family at St Peters, Dame Street. Little daughter is called Selina Jane.
RG9/4140 56 34

[ambers]

Sorry our posts crossed, and we weren't talking about the same family......that's why I thought he might have been illigitimate.

Now I know I should be looking for a Jones family....Elizabeth Jones, Publican with daughter Elizabeth sounds right.

I know I have seen an Elizabeth Jones School teacher in one of my searches. Hopefully as  Selina  Jones was a teacher in the 1861 where he was with his grendmother it will run in the family
.
Many thanks for your help and tolerance with a newbie.

Ambers
 

[Tati]

You're very welcome - Come back anytime