Silkweavers in Coventry - Pickards

[vic1047]

Hi Jos, Happy New year!

Sorry, can't add anything to the silk weavers, but I've been doing some similar investigation on brass founders in Islington in the same era - it was the Silkweavers 'tag' that caught my eye.

However on reading your post I was also attracted by your names list.  I have a Fenwick brother-in-law who was born in Co Durham, trained as a mining engineer and has spent the last 40 or so years travelling the world as a mine manager (or better) - Rhodesia, Namibia, South Africa, Brazil, etc. and is now retired and resident in South Africa. 

We visited him a couple of years ago and he very proudly showed me a map of the Border country that he has framed and hanging on a wall.  It flags up Revier families and locations and he was very proud of his reiver background.

He had brother who died recently who had been a school teacher in Spennymoor I think.

I would be interested to hear more of your Fenwick line - what period are you interested in?

Vic

[JosiahS]

I'm afraid my Fenwick line is not very well developed at the moment - I'm just about to move on to the Finlay/Fenwick marriage and work from there.

At the moment I'm looking at the 1700s at a Hannah Fenwick from Chester-le-Street who married a John Finlay in Gateshead.

I too have reiver blood - I come from the Armstrongs of northern Cumberland.

Cheers

JoS

[KathMc]

Graham,

Thanks. I will go through my notes and see what I can come up with. I might have a couple queries for you.

Kath

[BarSum]

I know your post was along time ago now and you may now have all this info.but  I have the same Joseph Picard in the family tree
I have information sent to me by Coventry achives some years ago from an apprentice enrolement register for Joseph Pickard to his father John a Weaver 19th july 1787. Also a baptism for Joseph Pickard to John Pickard and Elizabeth 26.4.1772 at Holy Trinity Coventry.
Joseph married Mary Thompson in Alnwick and my family's connection is through his daughter Joan
It is possible by the way the Militia recruited ,that Joseph joined up in Coventry when the Middx reg stopped their on their way North
(they were in the north from 1793 to 1801 two years of which 1796 to 1798 in Northumberland

[Billyblue]

For those interested in silkweavers in Coventry area, an interesting book is
"Starving in Bedworth will not pay the loan : the Bellairs family and their contribution during the ribbon famine" by Tony Davis.  Tony lived in Coventry and was into family history. He died a few years back, but you may find a copy in a local library.

Dawn M

[JosiahS]

Hello Bar Sum

Yes I have the same information - I checked the Militia records at Kew - my notes read as follows:

Joseph served in the East Middlesex Militia in the Lt Colonel's Regiment from 12 April 1793 until 7 May 1799.

During that time he was sent recruiting between June and December 1793, was on detachment between June and December 1794, and was absent at Dungerness in the period between December 1794 and June 1795, as were many of his colleagues. He took 2 months 'furlow' in January and February 1799 during which time the regiment was at Colchester.

The regiment was posted to Ireland about the time that Joseph left it.

As you probably know, Joseph died just about the time that Joan was born.  I am descended from her elder brother George.

Our oral family history says that the Picards were from France and it is interesting that Joan married into a Huguenot family in London - maybe there was some sort of connection.

As for John Pickard my conviction is that he was the one born in Ansty in 1748 - if he was using English Naming System then that one is correct with the first son being called John and the first daughter Ann (his parents being John Pickard and Ann Carey), the second son after his eldest brother and the third after his wife's father.

I have a copy of the apprenticeship index showing Joseph apprenticed to his own father as well.

Do stay in contact if you pick up any further information.

All the best

Ashley

[BarSum]

Hi Ashley
you have a bit more militia information than me so thankyou. I had not gone any further on John Pickards side and on the Thompson side I have Joseph's wife Mary born to a Robert Thompson and Mary at Alnwick 6.10.1776 and her death 3.10 1849 also in Alnwick Have you any further back than that ??
Yes Joan Pickard went to London and married into the La Roache family who were Jewellers and Goldsmiths  It is her daughter Frances Jane La Roache (La Roche ) that my husband's family are descended from. Again oral family history says they were Huguenots I have contacted the Huguenot Society in London and apparently this is quite a common tale and not always strictly true but there are Laroches in their records. very interesting and could explain why Joan went to London if the Pickards were French originally too.  Frances eventually moved to Scotland to live with one of her sons and died at a ripe old age of 98

I will let you know if I find anymore information.

Regards

Barbara


 

[JosiahS]

Hello Barbara

I've had rather a negative experience of contacting the Huguenot Society in the past - they seem to be rather snobby about their ancestry and to want to make it exclusive.

William La Roche was born Clerkenwell 1805 the sone of William La Roche and Christiana Jackson (m. 2 Mar 1802 London St Pancras).  That William was born 1781 in London (bap 12 aug 1781 London St Giles in the Fields), the son of David La Roche and his wife Elizabeth.

David was in turn the son of Pierre Cezar La Roche and his wife Catherine Janes (m 3 feb 1733 London St Anne Soho) and bap in the same church 30 May 1742.

Pierre Cezar La Roche (bap 10 mar 1709 London Leicester Fields Huguenot Chapel) was the son of Cezar la Roche and his wife Marie Flury.  The records I have are that Cezar was born in about 1676 in Angers, Maine et Loire, France, and Marie Flury about the same time in Isere, Rhone-Alpes France.

If that isn't Huguenot I'll eat my hat (without salt)

Hope that helps

Ashley

[BarSum]

Thanks Ashley
I had got as far as Peter (Pierre ) and Catherine Janes marriage and have a copy of the marriage register for St Anne Soho.  This was 1734 as we would know it today and the register shows it as February 1733/4 Peter Laroche  to Catherine Janes of this parish by banns. I was really pleased to see you had got further back to prove the Huguenot connection.
Back to the Pickards I have records of the Pickard gravestones in Alnwick church namely the family of Joseph Pickards eldest son Joseph ifyou are missing any.
Many thanks

Barbara