Where is George LAMB born 1838-40 in Hunslet/Leeds?

[Lambendsor (aka IGS)]

My great-great-grandfather George LAMB is driving me crazy. Here's what I know (in streamlined form):

George LAMB
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born: 1838-40 Hunslet or Leeds, West Riding, Yorkshire
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father: William LAMB, farmer
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1861 UK Census: 10 Lamb Lane, Newton Heath, Lancashire
George LAMB; boarder; age 22; b. Leeds; striker
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1862. Marriage solemnized at St John's Church in the Parish of Manchester in the County of Lancaster. No.194. May 25. George LAMB, 22, Bachelor, Striker, Bradford. Father, William LAMB, Farmer & Ann HULME, 20, Spinster, Bradford. Father, Peter HULME, Labourer. Married in the above Church according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Established Church, after Banns, by me, W. HUNTINGTON. This marriage was solemnizied between us, George LAMB X & Ann HULME X, in the Presence of us, Robert & Sybil WOOD X
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1863: Slater's Directory of Manchester & Salford
LAMB George, striker, Brooke St. Bradford Rd. South
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1865 Feb 15: journeyman boiler maker; h. 14 Brown Yard, Hunslet, Yorkshire
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1871 UK Census: h. 29 Hall Street, Heap, Heywood, Lancashire
George LAMB; age 30; b. Leeds; boiler maker
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1881 UK Census: h. 135 Parker Street, Bradford, Lancashire
George LAMB; head; married; age 41; b. Hunslet, Yorkshire; Boiler Maker 
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1891 UK Census: h. 135 Parker Street, Bradford, Lancashire
George LAMB; head; age 56; b. Leeds; boiler maker
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1901 UK Census: h. 135 Parker Street, Bradford, North Manchester, Lancashire
George LAMB; head; age 62; b. Leeds; boiler maker [1838/39]
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died: Jul 1914 England (Deaths Sep 1914: Lamb George, 74: Prestwich/8d/463)
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buried:16 Jul 1914 Philips Park Cemetery
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In short, I have good records on him from 1861 to 1914, but not for his first 20 or so years. Every few weeks I go to library to look for him on the 1841 and 1851 Censuses on Ancestry, but I come home empty handed. This is what I know about what I DON'T know:

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Yorkshire Birth Index 1838: Leeds North/Leeds: NORT/4/112
This George LAMB's father is NOT William - and I gather this is the same one as this GRO entry (Births Dec 1838: LAMB George: Leeds/23/364)
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1841 Census: He's NOT George LAMB, son of John and Sarah, in Burley
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1851 Census: He's not George LAMB, 14, spindle maker, at 36 Wellington Terrace, New Parish of Saint Andrew, Leeds - this one is also son of John and Sarah
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What can I do?

[BruceW]

Have you tried the 1840 birth registrations?  FreeBMD shows Mar 1840 for George, in York 23/664.  In June for George, in Manchester 20/544.  Not in Freebmd yet is Sep 1840 for George, in Doncaster 22/84.  In Dec 1840, for George-Ambler in Hull, 22/illegible!

I don't have any other ideas for you.

Bruce

[Lambendsor (aka IGS)]

Thanks, Bruce. The trouble with those is that they all seem a bit too far from Leeds. Maybe he was one that just slipped through the cracks in those early days of birth registration. If ONLY I could trace him BACK from 1861 and get the name of his mother, but I just can't locate him in 1851 or 1841. I guess I'll resort to tracing all the George LAMBs I can find on both of those censuses, just to take them out of the running. And to cover my bases, I'll post his stats on the Lancashire page to see if someone can find him on the unfilmed Manchester returns in 1851.

[Lambendsor (aka IGS)]

I still haven't found him. On the 1841 and 1851 censuses I looked for boys named George born in the Leeds area from 1835 to 1845 or so - hoping to see if he was living with a single mother and had a different surname. But no luck. I just don't understand why there would be no record of a person on the IGI, the Birth indexes, and two censuses.

What if he was the illegitimate son of William LAMB, farmer? Would there be any way to trace him, or would that be a brick wall?

There was a William Morrell LAMB, farmer, born 1818 in Pannal and living in Arthington, Yorkshire, in 1841. He was single at the time and could have fathered a child out of wedlock - but how could I prove his paternity?

Even if George WAS illegitimate, you'd THINK he'd show up in some capacity before 1861. Argh.

[maidmarianoops]

marriage june 1862

ann hulme     manchester     8d 450
george lamb            "                 "

freebmd info

sylvia

[Calverley Lad]

Just had a look at my copy of 1841 Yorkshire, only George at the age has William as an accountant.
Yorkshire BMD shows one birth entry for 1838 Leeds North NORT/4/112
 Regards Brian

[haliared]

Hi there,
While checking my CHADWICK family (who were in the same road) I have checked Brown Yard and Street, Hunslet in 1851 for you, in a vain hope that George LAMB's family were there, and that's why he went back-but no Lamb's listed.
Did you follow the George LAMB listed with parents William & Elizabeth LAMB in York 1851 to check if it could be him? Ref HO107/2353/423 page 9. I know William isn't a farmer but this one maybe useful if you can't find any others. Also I know they say they're born in York but my Hunslet families tended to say they were born all over the place when not actually in Hunslet for the census day ! Just a thought. Sorry couldn't help further.

[Sandymc47]

Hi there
Just trying to help but abit lost in all the information you have about George.
I looked on Yorkshire BMD for 1838 and there is a George Lamb born in Leeds that year.  Have you checked this Georges birth certificate to see who his Dad was and where they lived, as I cant get the gist as to if you think that this isnt your George?
I looked at William Lambs for you and there are a few with other children. Do you know who Georges siblings were as it might be easy to find him through them? I also noticed his Mum is called Anne, my GGGrandmas was called Elizabeth Ann and over the censuses used both her names as her only one and had me running around thinking my GGGrandad had remarried but it was her using her middle name.  Just wondered if your Anne was also Elizabeth as there is a Wm, Elizabeth and George?
Hope you find him soon
regards Sandymc

[Lambendsor (aka IGS)]

Please pardon my slow reply... George LAMB has been on the back burner for a long while.

Some years ago I sent a query to the records/register office in Leeds and they assured me that the father of the George LAMB listed here:

Yorkshire Birth Index 1838: Leeds North/Leeds: NORT/4/112

Was NOT William - and I assumed that this entry was the same as this GRO entry (Births Dec 1838: LAMB George: Leeds/23/364).

At this point - still - the only hard evidence regarding George's origins is that his father was William LAMB, farmer, and that George was born either in Hunslet (1881 Census) or Leeds (1861, 1871, 1891, 1901, 1911).

So far I haven't found any siblings - none stopped by on any Census days, unfortunately. And I don't know his mother's name.

I'm pretty sure I found him on the 1911 Census (haven't bought the page yet, though) - his wife, Ann, was at her daughter's house - I understand she was estranged from George:

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1911: Institution   
LAMBE, George; 78; M
born: Leeds
married
Registration District: Manchester
Civil Parish: Manchester
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He's older than he should be, but I'll forgive the enumerator.

Anyway, that's all for now - and maybe forever. I'm resigning myself to the idea that I might never get past 1861 with him.