Sir Charles E. NIGHTINGALE, Bart.

[Carleton]

Hello,

I am looking for information on the above gentleman, Sir Charles E. NIGHTINGALE of Cambridgeshire. 

I have the marriage entry from the OPR of his granddaughter:
"On June 13 1866, at the Church of Notre Dame, Montreal, Canada East, by the Rev. V. Sorim, Mr. Francis Duquet, of Montreal, to Louisa Maria, daughter of Ernest Nightingale, Esq., and granddaughter of the late Sir Charles E. Nightingale, Bart., formerly of Kneesworth Hall, Cambridgeshire, England."
Firstly, where in Cambridgeshire was Kneesworth Hall?

Any information would be gratefully appreciated including census entries which hopefully would list his wife and children.  I have a number of NIGHTINGALEs in my Montreal family tree with little information.  Many of them appear to be of British origin.

Dorothy
Ottawa, ON, Canada

[suzard]

Kneesworth,a hamlet on the Great Northern Road in the parish of Bassingbourn, 2 miles north from Royston station on the Hitchin and Cambridge branch of the London and NE Railway. Kneesworth Hall together with part of the estate was purchased in 1900 by Viscount Knutsford, who has entirely rebuilt the old hall, which stands in well timbered grounds of 50 acres, the former mansion, supossed to have been erected in 1600, occupies the site of a still older house.
Population of Kneesworth 1922 was 84
Kellys directory Cambridgeshire 1929

The Church SS Peter and Paul has a vestry formed in the tower and fitted up for the reception of the library of rare theological works partly bequeathed to this parish in 1717 by Sir Edward Nightingale. there are monuments to the Nightingale family -2 to Jeffrey Nightingale ob. 1664 and to Edward Nightingale ob. 1723.

Graveley Manor (Cambs)in 1660 went to Jeffrey Nightingale of Kneesworth. The estate stayed in the Nightingale family until Sir Charles Edward Nightingale sold it.

[liverpool annie]

Hi Dorothy and welcome to RootsChat ! 

http://www.ely.anglican.org/parishes/bassingbourn/graveyard.htm

HLTBO - Here lieth the body of

84. HLTBO/Charles Nightingale/d.31 Dec 1757/age 23/
also in this Vault lies the body of Capt Robt. Nightingale/brother of the deceased/d.9 Jan 1784/age 42/
also/George Manby infant son of Sir Charles Ethelstone Nightingale Bart/d.22 May 1812.

85. HLTBO/Edward Nightingale Esq/Late of Kneesworth/d. (at Bath) 20 Oct 1750/age 54/
also/Eleanor his wife d.14 Sept 1771/age 71.

86. The body of Edward Nightingale Esq of Kneesworth is here committed to the Ground/d.2 July 1723.

87. Geffrejus Nightingale de Kneesworth/Armiger una cum Elizabeth Uxor/23 Nov 1664/ille Mau nono 1681 Mortem obit/Also/Gamaliel his son/qui 26 April 1690.

Taken from The Illustrated London News 1843
THE LONDON GAZETTE.

DEATHS.
At Hill-side, King's Langley, Anne Augusta, lady of Henry Tuffnell, Esq., M.P.-At
Woodend, Chichester, in her 83rd year, Lady Mary Louisa Lennox, aunt to the Duke of
Richmond-At Boppart, on the Rhine, J. Basser, Esq., of Upper Brook-street.- At
Bath, in his 59th year, Sir Charles Ethelstone Nightingale, Bart., late of Kneesworth, Cam-
bridgeshire-At Purnp-court, Temple, Robert Woodriff, Esq.-In Earl-street, Black-
friars, in his 58th year, Robert Burn, Esq.-At College-green, Bristol, in his 29th year,
W. H. Mackreth Pritchard, Esq.-At Bath, Mrs. Isherwood.-At East Malling,, Kent,
Charles Smith, Esq., of the Temple, in his 79th year.-Mr. Wm. Hean, of Great Russell-
street, Bloomsbury-square, in his 68th year.-At Tottenham-green, Emily, wife of R.
Woollaston, aged 40.-At Southamptou, Mrs. Hawkins Nicholls, aged 34.-At Folke-
stone, aged 41, James Hutton, Esq., late of Camberwell.-Aged 72, John Bacon Sawrey
Morritt, Esq., of Rokeby Hall, North Riding of York.-At Wanstead, aged six months,
Susannah Ann, daughter of Mr J. S. Venn, of Canonbury-quare, Islington.-At his
resedence in Wimpole-street, in his 77th year, William Woods Page, Esq.-At Porchester-
terrace, Bayswater, William Bushe, Esq.-At Birmingham, the Rev, W. Riland, Bedford,
rector of Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire.

Here's some sites of interest ...

http://www.cambridgeshirehistory.com/cambridgeshire/TownsandVillages/BassingbournwithKneesworth/index.html

http://www.londonancestor.com/iln/iln-bmd.htm

http://www.thepeerage.com/p2997.htm#i29963

and check the last paragraph of the site below !! .....

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=15464

Annie 

[Carleton]

To Suzard & Liverpool Annie,

I am very thankful for the information you both sent.  Like so many of us involved in genealogy I am also interested in genealogical locations and attempt to find out as much information I can regarding my ancestors.  I have not yet had the opportunity to digest the information you sent but, #1, I will look up the location on my M/S Autoroute software and pinpoint the location exactly along with a map and study the balance of this interesting facts sent. This is my first venture into the County of Cambridgeshire.

I realize these aren't your ancestors, but I found something else last evening on Sir Charles which I would like to share with you and other listers.

Source:  Source:  Google Books - Annual Register (Bibliographic Information)
Editor:  Edmund Burke

At Bath, (July, 1843) aged, 59, Sir Charles Ethelstone Nightingale, the seventh Bart., of Newport Pond, Essex (1628).

He was born Nov. 1, 1784, the second but eldest surviving son of Sir Edward, the sixth Baronet, by Eleanor, daughter and heiress of his uncle, Robert Nightingale, esq., of Kneesworth Hall, Cambrideshire.  He succeeded his father, Dec. 4, 1804.  Sir Charles Nightingale formerly resided at Kneesworth Hall, Cambridgeshire, but had lately dwelt entirely at Bath.  He was constantly attended by Dr. Greville, to whom he left the whole of his property, overlooking Lady Nightingale and his children, and in consequence, some suspicions were raised respecting the cause of his death.

Dr. Greville undertook to have the body examined by any medical gentleman, but some dispute ensuing with the family, the doctor sealed the doors of the room and thus left an inquest as the only means of making such an examination.  Mr. Thomas Nightingale, a son of the deceased, swore to his suspicion from the appearance of the body after death, that his father had been poisoned by the administration of arsenic.  Dr. Greville deposed to having attended the deceased professionally for several years.

For the last four months he had been in a variable state of health; his last illness had continued nearly five weeks and his death was occasioned by a complication of maladies, dropsy being superinduced.

Dr. Lambert deposed that he was called to attend the deceased and found him vomiting.  Deceased's (sic, vomit) was not the coffee-ground vomiting which is symptomatic of the last stages of organic disease, but appeared to be the inflammatory action of the stomach which Dr. Abercromby and M. Louis state never take place except in cases of acrid poison.  The stomach was more distended than in ordinary cases.  He felt bound to state that these circumstances created great suspicion in his mind.

An adjournment of the inquest took place and Mr. Field, surgeon, having in the interim made a post mortem examination of the body then gave it as his decided opinion that no arsenic had been taken or administered.  The jury then consulted for a short time and returned the following verdict ---- "That the deceased died of haematemsis, by the the visitation of God."

Sir Charles married in 1805 to his German cousin, Maria, only daughter of Thomas Lacy Dickenson of West Retford, county Nottingham, esq., by whom he had issue six sons and one daughter.

Once again, thank you so much!  I really appreciate it!   

Dorothy
Ottawa, Canaa

[liverpool annie]

Wow Dorothy ! That's great !! 

What a lot of information you have there ..... ! I love stuff like that .... and how intriguing they thought the doctor did it !! 

I'm very pleased you're on a roll now .... I'll do some more looking and post what I can find !

Annie 

[Carleton]

Hi Annie,

Sounds like an Agatha Christie novel, doesn't it!   

I'll gladly take any other information that's out there.

Many thanks!

Dorothy

[MJP]

Hi Dorothy!  What a neat story you have going here. 

The Nightingales are on the IGI in Bassingbourn, Cambridgeshire (location of Kneesworth Hall).  There are MANY baptisms and marriages - they seemed to have had large families back for several generations...

According to the IGI, Charles Ethelstone Nightingale married Maria Dickonson on 09 Dec 1805 in West Retford, Nottinghamshire.

They had 6 children christened at Bassingbourn:

Charles (christened 1809)
Thomas (1810)
Eleanor (1811)
Edward (same day in 1811 - twins?)
George Manby (1812)
Manly (1813)

(Charles Ethelstone's baptism and those of all his siblings are there too.  )

And 4 more christened at Royston, Hertfordshire (3 mi from Bassingbourn):

Gamaliel (1820) (family name)
Alfred (same day in 1820)
Ernest (1821) - father of your Louis Maria?
unnamed child (1822)

There must have been more in between, but I do not see them.

However, I cannot find any of these people on the census!  I have been searching the 1841 and 1851 to no avail.  They must be somewhere!  Charles Ethelstone must be on the 1841, since he died in 1843, but I cannot find him.   

MJP
Ottawa  (hey neighbour!)

[Carleton]

Hi Neighbour!   

Usually the IGI is one of the first places I check but in this case, I never gave it a thought.  However, I didn't know about Bassingbourn until yesterday.  I will definitely have a look.

Ernest (1821) - father of your Louis Maria?  You bet - thank you so much!

Strange this Nightingale family does not appear on the various censuses.  Thank you for trying.

This heat wave is a killer - absolutely hate it!

Dorothy

[MJP]

Hi Dorothy,

I fully agree with you on this heat!  Today in particular is just so sticky, I can't wait for it to be over. 

No more luck on the census - Nightingale is actually a very popular name, much to my surprise, and since they all have fairly common first names it is proving difficult.  Most of the people I'm finding seem to be labourers and such - you'd think a titled family would be easy to spot, but...  Maybe since they had sold their estate in the early 1800s they have come down a bit in station...

Do you know when Louisa's family arrived in Canada.  Did Ernest come with his whole family or was it just Louisa?

MJP