Stephen DeBusk & Stephen LeBusque - are they the same person?

[gennig]

 Hi
I am trying to locate the family of my convict ancestor, Stephen LE BUSQUE his alias on conviction was Stephen COPLEY.

On his convict records it states he was a native of Sheffield.  He was tried at the Derby Assizes in 15 July 1826.  He was born circa 1803.  The closest person I have found is Stephen DE BUSK son of John DE BUSK and Mary FRANCE christened at St Peter's Cathedral, Sheffield 28 Sep 1803. 
My problem is I can't confirm they are the same person.  DE BUSK name doesn't appear in the census with any regularity. 

I have not been able to find a marriage or a death for Stephen DE BUSK

Has anyone got any suggestions on where I can go from here.

Cheers

gennig

[carol8353]

Hello



England and Wales, Civil Registration Index: 1837-1983

 
Name Year Quarter District County Volume Page
 
De Busk, Annie 1882 March Hunslet West Riding of Yorkshire 9b 299
De Busk, Ellen 1876 June Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire 9b 785
DE BUSK, John 1869 December Pancras London Middlesex 1b 199
De Busk, Mary 1838 June Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire 22 605
De Busk, Mary Ann 1867 December Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire 9c 222
De Busk, Mary Louisa 1890 September Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire 9b 753
DE BUSK, Mary Louisa 1890 September Leeds (1837-1929) West Riding of Yorkshire 9b 755
DE BUSK, Samuel 1844 June Greenwich Greater London Kent London Surrey 5 172
DE BUSK, Thomas Joseph 1873 September Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire 9c 251
 

[gennig]

Hi carol8353

Yes I am interested in the De Busk entries from Sheffield.

De Busk, Mary 1838 June Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire 22 605
De Busk, Mary Ann 1867 December Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire 9c 222
DE BUSK, Thomas Joseph 1873 September Sheffield South Yorkshire West Riding of Yorkshire 9c 251

Thank you

gennig

[carol8353]

Here you go Gennig,the info from the BMD.


Name:    De Busk, Mary
 Births
Quarter:    June  1838
District:    Sheffield 
Volume:    22  Page:    605

Name:    De Busk, Mary Ann
 Deaths
Age at death:    59
Quarter:    December  1867
District:    Sheffield 
Volume:    9c  Page:    222 

 
Name:    DE BUSK, Thomas Joseph
Deaths
Age at death:    29
Quarter:    September   1873
District:    Sheffield 
Volume:    9c  Page:    251 
 

Hope this helps in your search

Carol

[gennig]

The information I have on the DE BUSK family is:-

John (Thomas) DE BUSK/DEBUSH/DEBUSK/DEBUCK (and any other combination you can think of) born circa 1771 married Mary FRANCE  2 June 1794 Rotherham, Yorkshire

Children: -
John DEBUSH christened 30 Nov 1794 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield Yorkshire
Sophia DEBUSK christened 5 Apr 1797 Cathedral Saint Peter
Thomas DE BUSK christened 17 Feb 1799 Cathedral Saint Peter Married Mary Ann TAGG (I believe I have found his children on 1871 census, living in London)
Susanna DEBUCK Christened 26 Apr 1801 Cathedral Saint Peter
Stephen DEBUSK christened 28 Sep 1803 Cathedral Saint Peter
William James DEBUCK born 20 Jun 1807 christened 26 Jul 1807 Cathedral Saint Peter

John DEBUSK Burial 9 Dec 1814 aged 43 St Paul Sheffield (Anglican)
Mary DEBUSK Burial 19 Dec 1825 aged 61 St Paul Sheffield (Angilcan)

Cheers
Genni

[gennig]

Hi all

I posted this original message back '05, and i'm still trying to confirm the connection of these families.
I can't go back further until I'm positive they are one and the same person.

Stephen Le Busque was a cutler by trade.  Are there apprenticeship records?

I have traced  Thomas De Busk's family forward as best I can.  I'm hoping someone connected to the family may have some insight.

Thomas DeBusk married Mary Ann Tagg - (i have found them on 1841, 1851, 1861 Census)
Thomas died mar qtr 1865 & Mary Ann died Dec Qtr 1867

1841 Census - HO107/1338/8 Fol: 28 Page: 6
West St, Sheffield
Thomas Debusk 40 Painter born in County
Mary Ann DeBusk 30 born in county
John DeBusk 13 born in county
Mary Debusk 3 born in county
Ellen Debusk 7mths born in county

Thomas & Mary's children:-
John born 16 may 1828 died Dec qtr 1880 (I have found him 1871 census)
married Annie BUXTON Dec Qtr 1869 (Annie remarried Henry LAZENBY 1882) (found on 1881, 1891 & 1901)
Child: George Arthur DE BUSQUE  (born: Mar qtr 1874) married Daisy Mary KEMP 1898 (can't find him on 1901) Possibly had a daughter Helen Irene DeBUSQUE who married Leonard RENTON June Qtr 1927
Daisy died 1926 - George Arthur married Edith AINSCOUGH 1929

Mary born 24 Feb 1838 (Charlotte St Sheffield) d 11 Feb 1852 Sheffield

Ellen married James WADE  June Qtr 1876 (found on 1871, 1881 & 1891)
Children: Mary Louisa DE BUSQUE born Sep Qtr 1875 married John William HODGSON 1890 (found on 1901)
Eleanor born circa 1878
James born circa 1879
William born circa 1887 (found him living with Mary HODGSON 1901)

Ada Louise born Jun Qtr 1842 died 1898 Wakefield (not found 1881 & 1891)
Thomas Joseph  born Sep Qtr 1844 died Sep Qtr 1873

Regards


Genni

[Dalum]

Leader's list of the Apprentices and Freemen of the Cutlers' Company can be found on Eric Youle's site:
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~exy1/cutlers/Index.html

However, that list ends early in the 19th century (the date 1811 comes to mind?), perhaps just too early to include Stephen. There is however a John DeBusque who could be the one mentioned above.

There are later records but they have not been published. It might be worth asking the Company's Archivist if they can help. I can't find an email address for the archivist but the Company's website is here: http://www.cutlers-hallamshire.org.uk/

Hugh

[Dalum]

Have you looked for newspaper reports of the trial?

Hugh

[Richard Knott]

This suggests his parents were Francis and Maria:

http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.labowski/14/mb.ashx

Perhaps the information came from the Australian death certificate which asks for parents' names. You can order them online:

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home

Richard