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Henfache - where is it?
« on: Tuesday 25 July 06 19:25 BST (UK) »
I managed to track down family in the 1871 census and they live in Maes-y-Buwch(looks like)

They live in the township of Henfache,  parish of St Asaph and in Montgomeryshire.  Have checked on maps but cann't find Henfache - help please.  Mandy
Lawrence,Tunna,Cross, Brown, Lloyd-Oswestry,Shropshire
Cross-Oswestry, Manchester
Andrew - Cardiganshire, Bala,Meirionethshire
Morris - llanrhaedre y mochnant, Ruabon, Llandrillo
Roberts - Froncysyllte,Denbishire
Thomas Jones Roberts-corwen area
Taylor and Phillips - Holt Denbighshire
Lloyd - Oswestry
Tunna - Birkenhead
Weston - worcester
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Re: Henfache - where is it?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 25 July 06 19:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Mandy,
All I can find is a Henfache Farm in Llanrhaeadr Ym Mochnant in the old days in Denbighshire (now Oswestry, Salop)

I have also traced a Henfache township once again in the Parish of Llanrhaeadr Ym Mochnant in the pre 1974 county of Denbighshire.
This was correctly called Henfachau which is a 'proper' Welsh spelling meaning 'old corners or bends or nooks'.

Hope this helps, cheers Dave
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: Henfache - where is it?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 25 July 06 20:04 BST (UK) »
Maes y Buwch is probably the correct name for their farm.   Once again it is correct Welsh literally meaning 'the cow field.'
Cheers Dave
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: Henfache - where is it?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 26 July 06 10:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks Dave, that's the one.  The family were all born in Llanrhaedr.

Mandy
Lawrence,Tunna,Cross, Brown, Lloyd-Oswestry,Shropshire
Cross-Oswestry, Manchester
Andrew - Cardiganshire, Bala,Meirionethshire
Morris - llanrhaedre y mochnant, Ruabon, Llandrillo
Roberts - Froncysyllte,Denbishire
Thomas Jones Roberts-corwen area
Taylor and Phillips - Holt Denbighshire
Lloyd - Oswestry
Tunna - Birkenhead
Weston - worcester
Lawrence-Liverpool, Hoylake, Llanfyllin
Evans-Rhiwlas, Llansilin

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Re: Henfache - where is it?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 26 July 06 11:08 BST (UK) »
Very often the Welsh spelling of a word was corrupted either by anglicising or just plain ignorance of the transcriber.   This makes it difficult to trace places, people etc.
Glad you found yours.
Cheers dave
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: Henfache - where is it?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 26 July 06 18:38 BST (UK) »
Is there a site where I could look up the older place names?

Thanks Mandy
Lawrence,Tunna,Cross, Brown, Lloyd-Oswestry,Shropshire
Cross-Oswestry, Manchester
Andrew - Cardiganshire, Bala,Meirionethshire
Morris - llanrhaedre y mochnant, Ruabon, Llandrillo
Roberts - Froncysyllte,Denbishire
Thomas Jones Roberts-corwen area
Taylor and Phillips - Holt Denbighshire
Lloyd - Oswestry
Tunna - Birkenhead
Weston - worcester
Lawrence-Liverpool, Hoylake, Llanfyllin
Evans-Rhiwlas, Llansilin

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Re: Henfache - where is it?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 January 07 23:12 GMT (UK) »
Some of the replies are not quite right.
Henfache is correctly spelt ; 'bach' here is more likely to be an angle or a corner.
Maes y bwch is halfway between the village of Llanrhaeadr ym Mochnant and the waterfall (Pistyll Rhaeadr) ; all the sheep-dipping for the area used to take place there in the middle of the last century. 'Bwch' is a he-goat. It cannot be 'buwch' (cow) as that is feminine and there would be mutation to give Maes y Fuwch.
Tegai
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