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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 23 July 06 00:33 BST (UK) »
Hmmm...still not convinced - but willing to be swayed  ;)

What I would like is a better quality scan of the photo.   is that possible, biddybarracks?  and perhaps of the stamp, too?

I don't think that's the Imperial State Crown.  It's similar, but the one in the painting (it's very difficult to see it) appears to have 6 of those strut things that come from the top of the crown down the sides to the base, and the ISC has only four.  Comparison attached...


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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 23 July 06 00:41 BST (UK) »
The one you show Prue was remodelled for Elizabeth 11 and checked that Imperial State Crown was designed for George V - not sure what the crown would have been called before that.

I don't think it is a good portrait.  As I said, it was possibly painted at a distance with a stand in model. Paintings rarely have the accuracy of photographs.

I think it's best to wait to hear from the V & A.

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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 23 July 06 00:46 BST (UK) »
I've removed the image of Victoria's crown in case of copyright issues.

However, I've searched through more or less every country's crowns and the only other that is similar to the one in the picture is that of the Netherlands. It does have 6 bars.  Is this regalia anything like - possibly

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/nl/thumb/f/f6/Koningin_Beatrix.jpg/399px-Koningin_Beatrix.jpg

so maybe Victoria, maybe House of Orange  :-\

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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 23 July 06 10:53 BST (UK) »
Here is the closeup and enhancement of the crown in the portrait. I hope this helps.


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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 23 July 06 10:58 BST (UK) »
Here is a closeup of the medals in the portrait. By the way, did anyone notice the medal worn closest to her hip? Is it topped with a crown? Anyone know which order this medal represents?

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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 23 July 06 11:09 BST (UK) »
Well here's my penny's worth,it looks like the Spanish Star and the ribbon across her dress looks typically Spanish.
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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 23 July 06 11:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Biddyb

This has really got us intrigued. I've certainly increased my knowledge of royal crowns  :)

Here's a photo link of the Dutch crown - it's similar to yours, but.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Dutch_crown.jpg


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PS apparently the Spanish crown was a tiered crown like the Pope's
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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 23 July 06 11:50 BST (UK) »
Hello

There is a similarity in the pendant on the front of the dress between the mystery woman and Queen Victoria's mother, Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld.
I dont think this is Queen Victoria but perhaps could be someone from her mothers family. Possibly a wedding/engagement portrait?

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Re: HELP! in identification of person in painting
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 23 July 06 11:57 BST (UK) »
I must check out Queen Victoria's mother. However, check out this closeup of the brooch. There is a similarity with the one her mother had but there are some obvious differences.