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Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 05 February 13 14:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna, Google James Parker Pierce and you will find it in an e book (headed read the e book)  you will have to scroll down but it talks of Freettons which I believe is in your line. It is in alphabelical order under Pierce of Feettons and mentions James and his children also George and Betsy and mentions Landed Gentry!! Regards Margaret

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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 05 February 13 14:58 GMT (UK) »
Got it - thanks.  It's got a bit garbled in the digitisation (e.g. the house was Frettons rather than Feettons) but no matter. The date of publication must be around the late 1880s to early 1890s given who in the family is listed as alive and who is not yet listed (so not yet born).  I shall see if I can trace a hard copy.

Update: it's in fact the 8th edition of Burke's Landed Gentry (1894)  - have now found a hard copy. Thanks for pointing me to that :) If you'd like a pdf copy and are happy to exchange email addresses feel free to send me a personal message (click on the green scroll under my username).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 05 February 13 15:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna, Good luck with the Chepstow link I am not sure how to use this information so if you manage to get any further I would be very interested Regards Margaret

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Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 05 February 13 15:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Anna, Good luck with the Chepstow link I am not sure how to use this information so if you manage to get any further I would be very interested Regards Margaret

Absolutely - will keep you posted.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)


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Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 17 February 13 20:36 GMT (UK) »
Hello Margaret, it is a pleasure to meet you online. I am descended from Henry's brother John (who was my grandfather), so we can't be too far removed. In the 1925 Compromise which finally settled the distribution of Samuel Oliver Pierce's estate (40 years after his death!), Henry is listed with his daughters Marjorie and Beatrice.

I was fascinated to hear that your branch also has a copy of the Journal of S. Pierce's Tour to the United States of 1853. It must have made quite an impression on the family for different members to handwrite a copy for themselves. I assume Samuel Oliver Pierce wondered if he was related to President Pierce, but any relationship would have been remote, since the President's ancestors had been living in New England for over 200 years. However, if you compare surviving pictures of the two gentlemen, the possibility of a common ancestor cannot be ruled out:

President Franklin Pierce:


Samuel Oliver Pierce:


Incidentally, I do not think Samuel Oliver Pierce was ever a coach master. A subscribers' list of about 1840 describes him as a conch master, which was a popular item of jewelry in Victorian times. Most likely he made them as well as sold them in the Soho jewelry store. At that time he was living in Maida Hill (Paddington), and we have a Child's Book of Games that his son Septimus won as a school prize while they were living in that house in the 1840s. My guess is that he retired from the jewelry business around 1850, bought Ryde House in Twickenham, and had the time and money to live comfortably and do some travelling. We have another journal that he wrote of a trip to Paris in the 1860s.

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Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« Reply #23 on: Monday 18 February 13 12:20 GMT (UK) »
Burke's which states that George was originally from Chepstow Monmouthshire

Oooh Margaret - this is news to me! As you can see in the inherited family tree I posted earlier in the thread, it was thought the family was "originally from Wales".
Chepstow, Monmouthshire is still in Wales. I'm not sure if you're implying that this means that isn't the case. I apologise if you're not.
Knighton in Huntingdonshire and Northamptonshire
Tweedie in Lanarkshire and Co. Down
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Re: Brick wall - a real long shot
« Reply #24 on: Monday 18 March 13 15:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello Richard, Good to meet another cousin!  Henry's daughter Marjorie was my Mother. Her sister Beatrice passed away very recently.  Was Henry's brother John also known as Jack? or was there a John and a Jack? We kept in touch with Great Uncle Jack's family who lived in Ipswich Jack had two Daughters I remember Joan and I believe the other was Hettie.

I have to agree that Franklin Pierce and Samuel are very alike so maybe there was something in the rumour that they were cousins I can't imagine how many times removed

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 24 March 13 00:47 GMT (UK) »
Hello Margaret, Jack and John are the same person. His daughter Ettie (Henrietta) was my mother.

I believe that the house on Regent's Canal is still standing where his father Septimus was born in 1842 (and where his father Samuel Oliver Pierce was still living in 1853 - http://www.london-gazette.co.uk/issues/21414/pages/570/page.pdf). If I understand it right, 32, Warwick Villas, Maida-hill West is now 32 Maida Avenue W2 1ST. Richard.

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« Reply #26 on: Sunday 24 March 13 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi Richard,
Are you still in contact with Joan's two children.  I lost contact with them and as we spent some time with them when we were all children and it would be good to know how they are and how their lives have been.
Although we used to hear of you we never did get to meet.  I think this is a really interesting family history that we have. and I suppose that we are lucky to have as much information as we have but I would still like to get beyond the brick wall of George !! Regards Margaret