Launceston/Torpoint 1861/71 Please

[louisem]

I am trying to locate my gg grandparents before they married c. 1875
In 1881 I have
William H Budge  27 born Launceston Cornwall
Margery Budge 25 (maiden name Turner) born Torpoint

I have found a probable marriage Plymouth 1875 on freebmd and I have 2 brothers for Margery -
TG Turner born c 1863 Torpoint
Joseph E Turner born c 1851 Torpoint
(living with their sister in 1881/1901 censuses)

I also have family information that suggests that William Budge had a sister Florence.
I'm ordering the probable marriage certificate but in the meantime I'm itching to find out more if anyone has access to 1861/71.
Thank you very much

[krisesjoint]

Hi Louisem This looks like Margery in 1861 census

RG9/1523 Folio 44 Page 12 Entry 86
Antony Cornwall

TURNER Jane Head 42 Mar b Torpoint Cornwall
TURNER Sarah J Dau 19 Unm b Torpoint Cornwall
TURNER Richard J Son 12 b ? Cornwall
TURNER Joseph E Son 10 b Ireland
TURNER Margery E Dau 9 b Torpoint Cornwall
TURNER William Son 4 b Torpoint Cornwall

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Havent had any luck locating the family in 1851 trying to get the father for u here is 1871

RG10/2229 ED 7 Folio 23 Page 37
Antony Cornwall]

HUMPHERSON Joseph Head 33 Mar b Portsmouth Hampshire Pensioner
HUMPHERSON Sarah J Wife 29 Mar b Wexford Ireland
HUMPHERSON Eliz J Dau 5 b Torpoint Cornwall Scholar
HUMPHERSON Lillian E Dau 1 b Torpoint Cornwall
TURNER Joseph 20 Boarder Unm b Torpoint Cornwall Seaman
TURNER Mgt 17 Boarder Unm b Torpoint Cornwall Scholar
TURNER Wm 14 Boarder b Torpoint Cornwall Scholar
TURNER Thos  9 Boarder b Torpoint Cornwall Scholar

This looks like it could be William. I have had no success locating him in Launceston so I will try again now that I find this

RG10/2229 Folio 25 Page 41
Antony

BUDGE Wm Head 39 Mar b Torpoint Cornwall Pensioner
BUDGE Eliza Wife 36 Mar b Devonport Devon
BUDGE Wm H 18 Unm b Torpoint Cornwall Seaman
BUDGE Florence E 3 b Launceston Cornwall
BUDGE Arthur E 1 b Torpoint Cornwall

Kris 

[krisesjoint]

aha found them...neighbours!
William Budge in 1861

RG9/1523 Folio 42 Page 7 Entry 45
Antony Cornwall

BUDGE William Head 29 Mar b Torpoint Cornwall Seaman
BUDGE Eliza 26 Mar b Devonport Devon
BUDGE William Son 9 b St Stephens Cornwall
GREGORY James Lodger 28 Unm b Milton Abbott Devon Labourer

Cheers Kris  Enjoy

[krisesjoint]

and here this looks like Williams Father with his family in 1841 census...

please note that 1841 census does not list relationships nor places of birth merely yes or no for inside or outside county. Adult ages tend to be rounded off in multiples of 5

HO107/ 135 Folio 13 Page 17
Ferry Street
Torpoint Cornwall

BUDGE Henry 35 Yes Waterman
BUDGE Ann 25 Yes
BUDGE William 9 Yes
BUDGE George 7 Yes
BUDGE James 5 Yes
BUDGE Joseph 1 month Yes

Kris 

[krisesjoint]

Well I went through Antony again now knowing the Budges r there and yes I found them...sadly still no joy with your Turners. I just cant find them unfortunately wonder if they may b in Ireland......

1851 Census

HO107/1900 Folio 145 Page 89
St Mary Street
Antony Cornwall

BUDGE Henry Head 40 Mar b St Germans Waterman
BUDGE Ann Wife 38 Mar b Torpoint Cornwall
BUDGE William Son 19 b Torpoint Cornwall Shoemaker appr
BUDGE George Son 17 Unm b Torpoint Cornwall Shoemaker Appr
BUDGE James Son 14 b Torpoint Cornwall Butcher
BUDGE Joseph Son 9 b Torpoint Cornwall Scholar
BUDGE Arthur Son 6 b Torpoint Cornwall Scholar
BUDGE Deborah Dau 3 b Torpoint Cornwall at home
BUDGE Emma Dau 9 Months b Torpoint Cornwall At Home
BENSON Lydia Mother in Law 69 Widow b Landulph Cornwall At Home

not 100% sure on the Mother in Laws name..I think its Benson

Have fun Enjoy....Kris 

[louisem]

Wow thanks Kris, to find all that information when I got in this evening was absolutely thrilling. Thank you so much for all your time.
I kind of hope that the Turners do come fromIreland as all my ancestors have been Welsh and English so far.
I haven't had time to absorb all the info yet but wanted to write and thank you straight away.
Cheers
Louise

[krisesjoint]

You r very welcome Louise...I would have done it bit by bit over a few days but I was bored last night and got on a roll with checking another census disc each time I found a discovery. LOL I do know that the Turners r not in Antony anywhere in 1851...I have been through all the sections of Antony last night (Torpoint comes under Antony) First time looking for the Turners and then again when I discovered the Budges were also from there so did double check for the Turners and they r not there...these r not indexed so it is a matter of just going through parish by parish and I note If Sarah was born in Torpoint u would think they should be there but I c by the 71 census (Presume that is her) that she is listed as born in Ireland. It is a little confusing as in one census we have Sarah born Torpoint and Joseph Ireland and in another they r reversed. I know that mine r as enumerated as I have taken the transcripts from my discs...what I dont know about is the transcript from My Trees for 71.........was just a shame that I couldnt find the father 4 u in a census... Hopefully your marriage cert will shed some light on it as it appears Eliza Budge was from Devon
All the best
Kris 

[davecrowley]

Hi louisem,
I see you are descended from William H Budge and Margery Turner. William Henry Budge was the son of Eliza Ellen Crowley and William Budge, baptised 8 January 1854. His mother, Eliza Ellen Crowley was born on 21 July 1833 and baptised 31 Aug 1833, daughter of Bryan Crowley and Mary Sullivan. Eliza Crowley married William Budge in the chapel of East Stonehouse on 3 May 1852. She was described as being aged 21, living at 18 George Street, daughter of “Brian Crowley, mariner”.

I have written a full biography of Bryan Crowley, having been lucky enough to discover his service record, which is amongst the papers lodged for his son Edward William Crowley's application to Greenwich Hospital School. I am descended from Edward (Ned), Eliza's brother. Ned attended Eliza;s wedding and pretty much immediately boarded the merchant vessel Panama, bound for Melbourne. I believe the wedding was held when it was to coincide with Ned's sailing. Ned arrived in Melbourne at the height of the Gold Rush, and like the whole ship, deserted, never returning to England.

Bryan was son of William Crowley, a baker, who was living in Paul Street, Cork City c. 1780. Bryan was pressed ganged into the RN on 24 March 1807, served in the Napoleonic Wars, the War of 1812, in the Caribbean against piracy, in the Mediterranean, off the coast of Africa fighting the slave trade, and lots more.

I can send you all this material, if you like, including the census transcript results, but also the biography of Bryan Crowley and my material about the Budges.

Dave Crowley