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WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« on: Tuesday 11 July 06 11:06 BST (UK) »
Hi, Everyone,
Have recently discovered family connections to the Wire Drawing industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire in the 19thC.  I understand that conditions in the workplace were extremely grim - does anyone know of any links and sources where I might discover more detail on this subject...
Very best wishes,
Keith

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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 July 06 16:21 BST (UK) »
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 13 July 06 16:23 BST (UK) »
You could also 'google' wire drawing in Hathersage - gives hundreds of results.
Cheers Dave
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 13 July 06 17:36 BST (UK) »
Dave,
Thanks very much for all those links.  The two pages on "Sharp Practice at Hathersage" very interesting indeed...
Keith


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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 13 July 06 22:56 BST (UK) »
Didn't think much of the life expectancy of the needle sharpeners.   It puts some of our modern 'dangerous' jobs into perspective.   Also the villagers were in great danger from what these days is termed pollution.
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Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk   Research:   Clements, Jenkins, Jones, Williams, Davies, Renfrey in Cardiganshire.   Trow, Jones, Clayton in Montgomeryshire.  Renfrey, Datsun, May, Stephens in Cornwall.   Foster in Liverpoo.l   Milliner, Fry, in Gloucestershire.  Mawby, Popple in Rutland.   Kent, Fry, Robinson, Nott, Griffiths in Somerset.   Willis in Oxfordshire.   Fishlock, Snell, Fry, in Wiltshire

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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 July 06 20:13 BST (UK) »
Keith

On your proposed visit to Hathersage you will doubtless go up the Dale to visit the family house we discussed on another thread. As you go up The Dale you will see a mill chimney on your right with flats in front and Eastwood Cottages on your left. This area was the site of Henry Cocker's wire and needle works in 1840. See p35 - Hathersage Images of the Past - published by Historical Hathersage  Millennium Project in 2000.

I was born in Eastwood Cottages!

Pete
Walker- Tideswell  DBY
Conboy - Greagh LET
Wilson - Bradfield WRY
Prior  - LET
Sanderson - WRY
Graham - GLS
Such - GLS
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Hudson - KEN DOR
Prebble - KEN
Ling - SFK
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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 July 06 20:54 BST (UK) »
Pete,
How exciting - I can't wait to compare the real-life places to my imagination of what Hathersage looks like!
These COCKER's certainly wielded great influence in the area for many years, it seems.  I'm hoping that when a particular 1838 COCKER will arrives from the Lichfield Record Office next week, I'll know for sure about my family connection; there might even be mention of some of these places in the document...
keith

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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 10 August 06 14:57 BST (UK) »
Hello Keith,
I worked in the US Aerospace industry for 23 years. We manufactured blind rivets for the defense department and also commercially. The rivets are made in horizontal metal presses called "heading machines". They form the rivet into the "mushroom shape" that you might be familiar with. The raw material we used was wire, aluminium, steel, stainless, brass, titanium, copper etc etc. Sometimes the wire we had was too large in diameter for the machines punch and die tooling to handle and we had to draw the wire through a wiredrawer to reduce its size. It is now a relatively clean operation but when I started in the 60's it was a filthy, dangerous job. We used to coat the wire with white lead. Extremely poisonous and it stayed in the body and caused brittle bone disease. Of course the danger to hands, arms and fingers was also always a threat when dealing with moving, very heavy mechanical equipment. I'm healthy at 63 and still have all my fingers...lolol Thankfully, retired now. Hope that helps you understand what the drawing process is. Take Care....Keith (yep, me too)
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Re: WIRE-DRAWING Industry in Hathersage, Derbyshire 19thC
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 10 August 06 19:39 BST (UK) »
Hi, Cullumbo,
What a fascinating read that was!  Improvement in the terrible conditions in this manufacture is only a very recent thing, then.  So glad you kept all your fingers - not only did the employees lose their digits then, but only had an average life expectancy of ten years from the moment they started as needle grinders...
keith