cantrell of Ashover, Sutton cum Duckmanton

[marp]

Hi Carol,  I am a descendent of Israel Cantrill/Cantrel and  Ann Hole  who married on 24 June 1681 in Ashover, Derbyshire. I have Israel born on 19 January 1660/61.   Israel died on 29 February 1748 at Holmgate, Derbyshire, England.   Holmgate is very close to Ashover, but may be in the parish of North Wingfield, Derbyshire.

Israel's descendents (my family tree) went on living in the Holmgate area which is in the parish or North Wingfield.

I was really interested Carol in that you had a copy of a will and would be very appreciative if you could either send a copy or transcribe it.   I also think I may have attributed the wrong set of parents for Israel so I was very interested in your notes.   
 
I will have a look at the web sites you have sent to Debbie and see what I can find out! 
cheers, marp

[marp]

Hi Valerie, Israel Cantrill married Mary Hopkinson on 1 July 1716 in North Wingfield, Derbyshire.   They are my direct ancestors.   I have no information on Mary Hopkinson except for the fact of her marriage date.   Could you send more information please?  Or perhaps point me in the direction where I can find it?
  Thanks, marp

[sunflower]

Morning Marp

If you send me a PM with your email address I will send you what I have on the family.

Carol

[Designer Jeans]

I have been working on the Cantrells of Ashover in relation to the Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire FTDNA Project on facebook with a vested interest, as my Hole and Hopkinson families were in Ashover in the 17th century and married into the Cantrell family.

Richard C (nephew Joseph) who went to the US is not from Ashover.  There are two Joe baptisms 1666 son of Wm and Eliz and 1669 son of Ed and Eliz.  Both had only one brother.  Nor is Richard likely to be from Bakewell or Hartshorne.

With a lot of help from the will of John Cantrell, myner of Fallgate, Milltown, Ashover will 1715 probate 1717 the Israel Cantrell tree becomes much clearer. 
Sister Rachel H___ (Huntt/Hunt?)
nephew Sam son of Rachel
niece Dinah dau of bro Israel
nephew John Calton
John son of bro Israel
Israel son of bro Israel
exec bro Israel
wit Thos Hopkinson, Jeremiah Higginbottom, Charles Bourne

Hearth Tax Ashover 1662-1670 Thomas Cantrell 1 hearth
Thomas (bur 1675) mar Mary
children
1657 Rachel mar ? son Sam
1660 Abigail mar Philip Calton children 1686 Ann, 1690 Geo, 1692 Sarah, 1694 Phil, 1696 John
1661 Israel mar Ann Hole children 1683 Israel (mar Mary Hopkinson), 1686 John, 1693 Dinah (mar John Lynam), 1702 Rachel (mar John Marriott)
John bur 1717
Sarah bur 1671
Aaron bur 1673

To take this further it would be extremely helpful for a UK male Cantrell to test their YDNA!  Any volunteers?

[xracer]

Thank you for the information on Richard C and his nephew Joseph. I will pass it on!

Debbie

[marp]

Hi,  Both you and I are related to the Israel Cantrill who ,arried Ann Hole.   Their daughter Rachel Married Samuel Hurt  and gad their son Thomas was  baptised at Ashover on October 21, 1683

These Ashover records are quite legible and the name is HURT unless my bad eyesight is playing up!

Another son Samuel Hurt was baprised North Wingfield, on 12 July 1685  Again spelling is Hurt
Cheers, Marp

[Designer Jeans]

Fabulous, great find!  So wonderful to hear from you Marp xx

I have been trying to research Richard C and his nephew Joseph without success.  They are invisible in records that are available.  This leads me to believe that their family didn't register events (these were turbulent times in England, Civil War, religious dissent etc) or the records have not survived.

For example the early Wingerworth registers are damaged.  I found a few very early Richard Cantrell's there on familysearch.org Wingerworth 1539-1666 (reigns of Henry XVIII and Queen Mary) https://ogindex.org/search 

bpt Godfrey son of Richard
bpt John son of Richard
Richard godfather to Ellen Beardow
bpt Raphe son of Richard, godfather John

and
1666 burial Jaune wife of Richard

I am slightly puzzled that the Richard who went to the US was a brick maker.  Not to say there aren't any but I haven't come across any brick makers in Derbyshire so far.  Berkshire was a big brick making county in the 17th century and the Cantrell's of Hartshorne had connections there https://www.hartshorne.org.uk/Content/_Download/History%20Old%20Manor%20House_Upper%20Hall.pdf

There is a John in Hartington in 1621 giving Aid to His Majesty King Charles I.  A much later bankruptcy report in the Derby Mercury 23/2/1797 seems to connect the Cantrells of Hartington and Wetton/King's Newton
manufacturers of cotton wool into twist
Thomas the younger of Hartington
Daniel of Wetton cotton mfr
Ralph of Hartington cotton mfr

Definitely need some DNA!

[xracer]

Designer Jeans, are you by chance related to Richard C and his nephew Joseph? Has any male Cantrells there done a Y-DNA test? We really don't know where he was living. We know Joseph had siblings in Derbyshire. Richard stated this when he received permission to handle his nephew's estate. I had previously written about this in an earlier message to this group. My brother did a Y700 DA test through Family Tree DNA and I have done one through Ancestry. I really appreciate any info you find.

Thanks,
Debbie

[MollyC]

Reply #33

I am slightly puzzled that the Richard who went to the US was a brick maker.  Not to say there aren't any but I haven't come across any brick makers in Derbyshire so far.

Bricks could be made wherever there was plentiful clay - which occurs in Derbyshire in the Coal Measures, i.e. amongst the rocks which surround coal seams, some distance eastwards from Ashover and Bakewell.  They were heavy to transport, so tended to be made where they were needed, sometimes using temporary kilns.

Bricks had become fashionable.  As well as new buildings, they were being used to replace wattle & daub in existing timber framed construction.  Better houses in the Peak and coalfield areas had been constructed from the stone available there but lesser buildings could now use brick to "modernise" their walls, and clay tiles in place of thatch.