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1871 lookup for MATTHEWS sisters
« on: Monday 10 July 06 06:00 BST (UK) »
Names I am looking for or confirming - 1 - Frances Louise Matthews 2 - Hannah Mary Matthews  and 3 - Edith H. Matthews

I would appreciate it if someone could look at the following image for me and tell me if the last 2 names could possibly be very BADLY mistranscribed.

I am looking for Frances Louise Matthews and Hannah Mary Matthews from Honiton. Frances would be aged 17 and Hannah 16.

I read the census image like this

Piece 2033   
Lyme St, Axminster
ED 1/ Folio No 5 / Page No 2
Entry No   25  (last line on page 2 & continues on to page 3)

Robert Henry Matthews  24  Head Ironmonger  [bn] colyton
Eliza J do  Sister  unm 21 [bn] colyton
Thomas L Gauntlet  Visitor unm 17  Ironmongers Asst  [bn] honiton 
Hannah M  do  Visitor unm 16 [bn] honiton 

Now  Robert Henry Matthews was the oldest of 12 children (8 girls and 4 boys).  4 of his sisters were Eliza Jane (bn 1850), Frances Louise (bn 1853), Hannah Mary (bn 1855) and Edith H (possibly Hunt - bn 1865).

I was thinking that Eliza J and Hannah M were both Roberts sisters. And I did think that Thomas L was also a very badly transcribed Frances L but in 1881 I find there is a Tom L Gauntlet aged 26 born in Honiton, so this Thomas must be legitimate.

If thats the case - then I am still looking for Frances Louise Matthews in 1871. I know she is alive because she married Vincent William Sims in Honiton in the Sept Q of 1874, and she shows up with her husband and children in the 1881 census in Hampshire.

I hope this makes sense - if you need more info - just ask. :)

part 2 next post

BD



BURROW, BICKHAM, EVANS, SULLEY, STONE - Devon
STEPHENS, MALLET, ADAMS - Cornwall
HANCOCK , BUSSON - Somerset
MCCALLUM, MCDIARMID, MCNEILL - Argyle, Scotland
WALLS, SUTHERLAND, SIMPSON - Orkney, Scotland
FAIRBAIRN - Fife, Scotland
THOMPSON - Aberdeen, Scotland

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Re: 1871 lookup for Matthews sisters
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 July 06 06:10 BST (UK) »
Another of Robert's baby sisters was Edith H Matthews born in Honiton 1865. I cannot identify her for sure in 1871 (she would be 6 years old) except possibly for this one.

1871  census  king st  colyton  (piece 2035  folio 68/page 32/ED 4)
john kettle  (keffle?)   head aged 50? printer  bn colyton
mary a. do  wife aged 54?
edith matthews  sister  age 6  bn honiton
susan knowles servant  age 16 bn southleigh

British origins says Edith is a visitor - looks like sister to me.
The 1881 census confirms the Kettle's names and ages.
While there is also a Matthews sister named Marianne in the family - she was working as a housekeeper for her uncle Henry in Honiton in 1871 & 1881 - so this Marianne (Kettle) does not appear to be related.

So why would a 6 year old be visiting an old couple? Are they related? If they are related then Marianne's maiden name would need to be either Matthews or White. 

Edith shows up in the 1881 census living with her mother and siblings in London. (the mother moved the younger kids to London after her husband died in 1875).

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BURROW, BICKHAM, EVANS, SULLEY, STONE - Devon
STEPHENS, MALLET, ADAMS - Cornwall
HANCOCK , BUSSON - Somerset
MCCALLUM, MCDIARMID, MCNEILL - Argyle, Scotland
WALLS, SUTHERLAND, SIMPSON - Orkney, Scotland
FAIRBAIRN - Fife, Scotland
THOMPSON - Aberdeen, Scotland

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Re: 1871 lookup for Matthews sisters
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 July 06 11:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Burrow Digger, I've had a look at the census page. It definately says Thomas L Gauntlett and it looks as if Hannah Mary is his wife at that time, although I can't find a marriage cert for them.

Regards
Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
Census info is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.co

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Re: 1871 lookup for Matthews sisters
« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 July 06 11:29 BST (UK) »
I've found Frances' birth cert, states her as Frances Louisa Matthews born September quarter 1852, Axminster, Devon. Can't find her at the moment on the 71.

Regards
Kate.
Cavan - FLYNN & NEARY
Donegal - O'DONNELL
Dublin - BRADY, GREEN, NEILL & ST LEGER
Kerry - CRIMEEN, CROWLY & DONOGHUE
Longford - FLYNN, WHELAN & DAVIS
Sligo - FLYNN & HEALY
Wicklow - CLARE, COLEY, CRIMEEN, CUNNIAM, DOYLE, FLYNN, MURPHY, O'BYRNE & SUTTON
Devon, Som, Glam & Mon - BISSETT
Gloucs, Glam & Mon - ROBERTS
Here, Brec & Mon - WATKINS
Mon - ISRAEL, LEWIS, MATTHEWS, MORGAN & PROBERT
Salop & Mon - EVANS
Census info is crown copyright www.nationalarchives.co


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Re: 1871 lookup for Matthews sisters
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 July 06 12:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Burrow Digger, I've had a look at the census page. It definately says Thomas L Gauntlett and it looks as if Hannah Mary is his wife at that time, although I can't find a marriage cert for them.

Regards
Kate.

And how likely would they have been to be married when 1 - Hannah is not listed as his wife, 2 - they were both under the age of 20, and 3 - in the 1881 census Tom is listed as Unmarried? 

No I think Hannah Mary should have been listed as Matthews not (ditto) - she should have been Robert's sister.  Although she was probably also a visitor.

BD
BURROW, BICKHAM, EVANS, SULLEY, STONE - Devon
STEPHENS, MALLET, ADAMS - Cornwall
HANCOCK , BUSSON - Somerset
MCCALLUM, MCDIARMID, MCNEILL - Argyle, Scotland
WALLS, SUTHERLAND, SIMPSON - Orkney, Scotland
FAIRBAIRN - Fife, Scotland
THOMPSON - Aberdeen, Scotland

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Re: 1871 lookup for Matthews sisters
« Reply #5 on: Monday 06 June 11 11:45 BST (UK) »
Thomas Lee Gauntlett is my greatgrandfather.   Born in Honiton in 1854 he married Katherine Ada White in London in 1881.
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