finding angelina Orchard

[susanmary]

Hi Louise,

In 1891Thomas was 35 and Susan was 40, and in 1901he was 45 and she was 48. No children with them in 1891 and Brittania age 9 in 1901. I know James was Thomas' father because he is living in the caravan with him in 1901. I can't find James earlier than 1891 because there are so many James Orchards. It doesn't help that his age is different in both census returns and his birthplace is Crediton in one and Gloucestershire in the other. I've got stuck here, so if you can help me out, I'd be really happy!

Sue

[matilda1973]

hi Sue
               i guess your Thomas would of been old enough to be Angelina/Caroline s father,  will have a look when i have a bit of time and see if i can find any sign of them, let you know if i find anyting. do you know Susans name before marriage
                      take care Louise

[susanmary]

Hi Louise,

I have just found a marriage on freeBMD of Thomas Orchard to Susan Orchard in June quarter of 1879 in Launceston registration district. Sound possible, doesn't it?

If you don't have time to look up the census returns before Saturday, I'm bringing my folder of copies etc with me to the open day. The Record Office is the other side of the road from the barn Owl. Drive through the park and ride car park and follow the signs.

Sue

[matilda1973]

hi, Sue,
             thanks that would be great, have had a quick look at my files and although i have a couple of thomas and Susan Orchards none that are married to each other. not sure if this helps but i have a James Orchard married to a Britannia Crocker with a Son Thomas oh hang on there too young as they married round 1871. i have a James married to Sarah Phillips c 1850 and he was ment to of come from Gloucester, alot of this is second hand passed to me by others so would need looking in to, dont have any children for them but 1 Henry Orchard , James has aBrother called Thomas so the name is in the family, dont know if thats any help
                                   Louise

[susanmary]

Hi Louise,

I had found the James Orchard and Brittannia Crocker marriage too. I think that Thomas was James' brother and I know their father was also named James. I wondered if I had been too hasty thinking that Thomas married Susan Orchard as that was the only marriage I could find, but the Orchards were very keen on marrying their cousins which makes it so difficult to work out relationships. Every time I find out more information about them, I just get more confused! 

Sue

[matilda1973]

Sue
          i know just how you feel, what with the contant change of names, places ages it hard to pin down who is who and if they belong to "my family" the fact that all four of my husband grandparents were travelers and came from big family's makes it harder coupled with the fact his parents don't always want to talk about or just don't know about there past. it dose make it all the better when you do find them mind, will see you Saturday hopefully take care Louise

[matilda1973]

just to update, have found the family 0n 1911 census as follows:
 James Holland head 36 married gipsy hawker born exter devon
Ann Holland  wife 31 born swindon whiltshire
Betsey holland daughter 15 born clatworthy somerset
Henry Holland son 12 born monksilver somerset
Thomas Holland son 10 born ash priors somerset
Britannia Holland daughter 9 born bridgerwater somerset
James Holland son 7 Born monksilver somerset
Joseph Holland son  4 born  rodhuish somerset
John Holland son 2 born langford heathfield somerset
William Holland son 1 Born ilminster somerset

 i still have no more info on Angelina/Ann, would love to no what happened to any of this family or anything about Anglinas family, hears hoping Matilda 

[cathayb]

i will start checking for you through my files but i have a feeling this young william holland is to do with somebody I know.if i am right william married priscilla benham and then she remarried another man.i got to ring her and see what i can find out.timberscombe and angelinia ring a few bells with me.i will go look and get back to you.cathay

[cathayb]

i got a james holland born 1860 his mother was rebbecca orchard and his dad was joeseph holland.
then i got james born 1875 and married caroline(known as angelinia)married in 1895.james was the son of brittiania holland nee hughes and thomas holland born 1850 at bovey tracey. are any of these likely charactors?if so i will look for further info that i might have.