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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 25 March 09 22:27 GMT (UK) »
sorry forgot to say caroline(angelina)was an orchard before marriage and her father was thomas.unfortunately i know very little about thomas!!!!there was a lot later angelina married maudi hughes!
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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 26 March 09 09:49 GMT (UK) »
yes Cathay  James is son of Thomas and Britannia holland nee hughes who is in turn son of Joseph and rebecca,  im sure i sent you certs for them last yr :)
   i have the marriage cert for James and Caroline holland nee orchard but have no proof that they are the same James and Ann/Angelina holland  nee orchard .  just a few things that point that way.
      would love to know what happened to any of the children, Thomas being Tonys grandfather
            Matilda ;)
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 05 April 09 14:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Matilda,

Can you give more details of the marriage cert you have for James Holland to Caroline Orchard?  For example their ages, fathers occupations, addresses and witnesses names.

Would be helpful in trying to prove/disprove this is the right couple! 

Also have you considered asking if someone could look up the marriage in the parish register; I say this is as I had a GRO marriage cert with the fathers name of James, but the original did have the correct name of Samuel!!!!

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Bladen (Tipton, & Yorks), Teece, Cooke(Coalville), Stott (Staffs), Carr, Armitage, Henrickson, Lisle (Yorks), Pailing, Stott, Leach, Davies (Llanasa), Taylor, McDonald, Garry, Brackenbury, Brand, Rewston
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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 11 July 13 10:44 BST (UK) »
Hi,
wonder if this is of interest. Taken from Bicknoller rector's diary and Bicknoller burial registers.
Rector was not always sympathetic!!!
March 9th 1878
On my way to Williton on March 2nd I stopped a gipsy woman & spoke to her about baptism. Today 2 gipsy men called at Vicarage & wished to have 3 children baptised & one told me that his wife was
dying on the Moor. I found 5 caravans in one of which the poor woman was lying or rather reclining,
she seemed a pure gipsy & professed to be of no religion. I read to her St Matthew V telling her how
we are born in sin & that Jesus Christ came to deliver us from that state & taught us in his gospel what we ought to do if we wished to be saved. She seemed very nervous but listened, her mother & another woman were in the caravan which had a fireplace....etc
March 10th 1878
Service at Sampford Brett at 11. Rev J Tripp took the morning service here and preached for Additional Curates Society. Edie Tripp said that some of the gipsies were drunk last night and making such a noise that he hardly liked to pass by. Evensong Baptisms and Sermon 140. One gipsy child was baptised and 7 were received into the congregation. Some of the gipsies put something in the Bag. The children behaved well during the Baptismal service but badly afterwards.
October 3rd 1878
Buried C Orchard from caravan about 40 followed, orderly some in mourning some not.
Charlotte Orchard Woolston 3 Oct 1878 41 "Caravan on Woolston Moor"
November 14th 1878
Buried a gipsy child. 
Robert Holland Woolston 14 Nov 1878 6mon "Caravan on Woolston Moor"
June 24th 1900
A gipsy child was baptized. Hath this child been baptized. Oh no sir, they could not read & had to be
told the responses.



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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 11 July 13 11:04 BST (UK) »
Hi,
a further reference to my last post which may be of interest.
June 11th 1917
James Holland, licensed hawker was summoned before the Williton Petty Sessions for
allowing five horses to stray on the highway at Sampford Brett on May 21st. Holland did not
appear but sent a postal order for 10s with directions as to his whereabouts if the sum was
insufficient. - Think this may be the James mentioned in some of your previous posts.

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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #23 on: Friday 26 July 13 14:26 BST (UK) »
thanks for those there great to read.
travellers: Penfold, Holland, Orchard, Loveridge, saunders, James, Davis<br />Somerset/devon: Hawkins, Lane, Perryman, Saffin, Bowden, Warren<br />Yorkshire/Lincolnshire: Webster, Gleadell, Gott, Patrick, Milnes, Beverley

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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 27 July 13 15:13 BST (UK) »
I have a angelinia orchard born 1926 but I expect her name was passed down within the family?her perants were joseph orchard and definance packman.
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Re: finding angelina Orchard
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 27 July 13 15:20 BST (UK) »
I am a dinlo.just realised that angelinia was known as caroline.her father was definitely Thomas orchard.she married james Holland.i expect you know all this as I haven't time to read the thread at the moment but will now begin a search for you and let you know if I come up with anything,might take awhile as buzy at the moment.daughter living next door has a new mobile coming Monday and all her boxes are stored in my chalet!!!!cant move!!!
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« Reply #26 on: Saturday 27 July 13 15:21 BST (UK) »
oh another angelinia Holland married modi hughes/white.i expect you know that as well??
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