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Offline Saartje

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MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« on: Wednesday 05 July 06 00:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

I would be really grateful if someone could give me any information about a "stray" Morfey

I recently ordered a birth certificate for my great great grandmother.  Her name was Ethel Lilian PENFOLD, and she was born in 1895, in Wye, East Ashford.

This gave me her parents names obviously  :) .

Her father was listed as an Albert Henry PENFOLD, born circa 1863 in Rye.
Her mother was listed as an Ellen MORFEY.  I believe she was born circa 1870 in Rye or Ripe.  However, whilst I have had reasonable success on the Penfold side of things, I can't seem to find anything about her.

I can't find her in any of the census' except the 1901 where she was already married.
I can't find her birth certificate, or a marriage certificate.

I have found references to Morfeys in Peasmarsh, but nothing that seems to link in with her.
There may be variations on the spelling of her surname, but even trying that is not returning the results I need.

Thank you in advance for any assistance/ideas, etc that anyone can give me in this area.

Greetings

Sarah

Areas: Kent, Sussex, London, Middlesex, Cornwall, Lancashire
Names: Gilbert, Williams, Fuller, Angus, Morfey, Penfold


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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 July 06 00:17 BST (UK) »
Hi Sarah

Quick question - does Ethel's birth certifcate name her mother as Ellen MORFEY or as Ellen PENFOLD formerly MORFEY?

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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 July 06 07:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Dave,

The certifcate gives Ellen PENFOLD formerly MORFEY.
According to the certificate I see the place they were living was Hastingleigh.

Thanks again

Sarah
Areas: Kent, Sussex, London, Middlesex, Cornwall, Lancashire
Names: Gilbert, Williams, Fuller, Angus, Morfey, Penfold


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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 July 06 08:46 BST (UK) »
Hi again Sarah  :)

The only possible I have found so far is...

1881 census - RG11/1026 Folio 59 p.36 - Hastings, Holy Trinity

8 Robertson Terrace

Ellen MORFEY Servant Unm 19 Cook Domestic b. Tillingham SSX
(one of 19 people listed in household of John Foster, a tax collector)

but the age is probably too far out? I can see her on the ancestry index in 1871 too - a look-up would place her with parents I should think, and rule her in or out.

Other than that all I can suggest is looking for Morley as that seems to be the most likely mistranscription.

You can trawl the complete BMD records quarter by quarter at...

http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx

be sure to select the "complete" ones. Happy hunting!!  ;)
Sussex:<br />Lishers of Sompting, Cunninghams of Houghton, Hammonds of Angmering, Humphrey, Hambleton, Ayling, Pope, Gent<br />
London: Le Franc, Watson, Read<br />
Cornwall: Phillips of St. Ives, Chappells of Penwith<br />Ireland: O'Connors of Co. Clare<br /><br />Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 July 06 12:03 BST (UK) »
Hi Gougy, ;D

Thank you once again for your response, and suggestions. :)  I saw the reference in the 1881 census, but was really unsure as to whether it was her.
I also tried scouring the Ancestry complete indexes for Morphy, Morphey, Murphy, Morley, without success, so far.  Will give it another go, as I probably missed it.

Greetings

Sarah
Areas: Kent, Sussex, London, Middlesex, Cornwall, Lancashire
Names: Gilbert, Williams, Fuller, Angus, Morfey, Penfold


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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 July 06 18:50 BST (UK) »
Have you got birth certificates for any of the other children to double check her surname?
There were dozens of variants of it on the Sussex Marriage Index.
I wonder if possibly they married after the birth of the first child?   Have you looked onwards for it?   All BMDs are free to search on ancestry.co.uk at the moment but make sure you choose the full version - not the FreeBMD one.
Andrea

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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 July 06 19:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrea,

I don't have other certificates personally, but I found my mum's 2nd cousin, and he lists the name as Morfey as well.  He was unsure of the spelling because the certificate wasn't very clear, but my certificate seems to match/confirm that name.  He can't find her either, so we're both a bit lost.

I think I have looked a good few years before their first child.  Will try after 1891, and see what comes out of it... fingers crossed.  Hopefully, if I can find Albert Penfold, her husband, I can find the link to her as well... 

Thanks for responding :)

Greetings

Sarah

Areas: Kent, Sussex, London, Middlesex, Cornwall, Lancashire
Names: Gilbert, Williams, Fuller, Angus, Morfey, Penfold


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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 July 06 08:42 BST (UK) »
It is odd as Susan is 10 in 1901 therefore she should have been born by 1891.  No sign of any of them that I could find so I wondered if they were not yet a family unit.  What happened to her.  Do you know?   There is a marriage for an Ellen Susan Morfee in 1909 ish - cannot remember the exact date - in Rye.   That may be a complete red herring though.
Andrea

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Re: MORFEY born in Rye or Ripe, Sussex
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 July 06 08:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Andrea,

I also saw Ellen Susan Morfey, and thought maybe I had found her, but the name of her husband did not match up as far as I can tell. :(
Maybe it was the daughter of a brother of Ellen?  I just don't know.

The only definite information I have is that two of their children: Ethel Lilian Penfold (Ethel was wrongly transcribed as Ellen in the census), and her brother Albert.

I have been searching through the complete BMD indexes, but haven't had much success yet.

Thanks again Andrea

Greetings

Sarah

Areas: Kent, Sussex, London, Middlesex, Cornwall, Lancashire
Names: Gilbert, Williams, Fuller, Angus, Morfey, Penfold


Census Information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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