the marriage certificate number at Rye is 1871 / Quarter2/ vol 2b / page 17
BUT - before you order it
....I think I am now about to throw a spanner in the works. I don't now think Ellen Elizabeth is a Morfey.
and this is because in
1901 census
Albert H Penfold aged 38 Agricultural Waggoner born Rye Sussex
Ellen E Penfold 31 born Rye Sussex
Susan E Penfold 10 born Playden, Kent
Mabel J Penfold 7 born Ashford
Ellen L Penfold 6 born Hastingleigh
Albert E Penfold 3 born Frittenden
Thomas F Penfold 1month born Willesborough
on looking for the 1891 cenus.... the ONLY match I can find for Ellen & Susan is as follows...
1891 census
Raiton, Playden
Ellen Lacey aged 21 born Rye (and is married but no spouse with her)
Susan E Lacey aged 5months born Playden
also Lily Weller aged 9 a boarder and scholar aged 9
so I checked marriages and ...
1886 Q4 Rye, between Ellen Elizabeth Leadbeter & Tom Lacey. The same page as a marriage of Emily Weller & Charles Payne (so they may be something to do with Lily Weller the boarder)
so this would indicate that Ellen Elizabeth Lacey nee Leadbeter could become Mrs Penfold somewhere between 1891 census and 1893 birth of her daughter Mabel Jane Penfold at West Ashford Reg District. 1893 Q3 2a /803 and perhaps when Albert Henry Penfold registered the birth and was asked for mothers name, he gave his own mother's name rather than his daughter's name. OR that he had a fling with Ellen Elizabeth Morfey which produced a daughter and Albert Henry Penfold brought the child up with his new partner Ellen Elizabeth Leadbetter/Lacey.
Susan Ellen Lacey is registered as born Rye District in 1890 Q4, there is no Susan E Penfold registered at all.
This would seem to confirm that the woman that is the mum of Ethel Lilian Penfold on the census is infact born Ellen Elizabeth Leadbetter and not Morfey but formerly Lacey. If this is the case.....
The 1881 Census
George Leadbetter 32 Fishmonger born Rye is her father
Sarah Ann Leadbetter 34 wife born Rye
Eliza Leadbetter 9 born Rye
Ellen Leadbetter 6 born Rye
Emily leadbetter 4 born Iden
William H Leadbetter 2 born Hastings.
(by 1891 George is widowed, married again to Eliza Down in Q2 1885 Hastings - and the Leadbetter and Down families have merged with Eliza bringing 4 of her own children to the family, and then having 3 more with George.)
(Sarah Ann Leadbetter had died 1884 Q4 Hastings, she was born Sarah Ann Saunter and married George Leadbetter in 28 Jul 1867 in Rye Registration District. Sarah's parents were Henry Saunter a carpenter and Jane Fuller his wife. Her parents are living with the large Saunter family in 1861. Her parents were Richard & Emma Fuller. Henry Saunter's ancestry goes way back and someone has published it on ancestry.com)
This does not explain why there is a marriage between Albert Henry Penfold and Ellen Morfey in 1871 Rye, unless these are infact Albert Henry Penfold's own parents or at least might be his Dad and may be a 2nd wife,
as Albert Henry Penfold should have been born about 1864 ish.
However.... I cannot find a marriage between Penfold and Lacey or Leadbetter or Morfey in the 1890's
Unless Ellen Elizabeth Lacey had divorced Tom Lacey, or he had died, and I can't see any record that he died in England, it looks to me like Ellen Elizabeth & Albert Henry Penfold were not married to each other.
Or to complicate things even further .... perhaps the 1901 census wife Ellen Elizabeth Penfold did what her father had done and married a man who already had a family as she did and the families merged. This might mean that Ethel Lilian Penfold's mum really was an Ellen Elizabeth Morfey! - but i doubt it. It could be worth ordering the birth cert for mabel jane penfold to see what the mother's maiden name is on that, and also Albert E 's birth cert. As they were the two children born either side of Ethel Lilian. Yes it will cost £14 for the two certificates but it might clarify who the mum is if Albert Henry Penfold filled in those forms properly.
Mabel Jane Penforld 1893 Q3 West Ashford Dist. 2a /803
Albert Edward Penfold 1898 Q2 Cranbrook Dist. 2a / 785
Thomas Frederick Penfold 1901 Q1 East Ashford 2a/ 866
...............
getting back to Albert Henry Penfold
1891 census
Albert Penfold aged 28 (single) profession Baker, is a Convict at HM Convict Borstal, St Margaret, Chatham.
1881 census
Albert H Penfold aged 18 (single) Ag Lab boarder at house next to Rose & Crown, Old Romney, Kent
1871 census
Cinque Ports Yard, Rye
Henry Penfold aged 33 Ostler born Hawkhurst Kent (son of Henry Penfold & Maria Jenner married Hawkhurst 25 Oct 1829)
Mary Ann Penfold aged 33 wife born Rye Sussex
Maria Penfold aged 12 born Rye (Q1 Rye)
Mary Ann Penfold aged 10 born Rye
Albert Penfold aged 8 born Rye
Lois Penfold aged 5 born Rye
Elizabeth Penfold aged 2 born Rye
Eliza Penfold aged 3months born Rye
(Mary Ann Buckland married 1859 Q1 Rye 2b/13 to Henry Penfold)
Certainly things are not straightforward in this mysterious family tree. I will delete the reference to Morfey as a maiden name in the Hastingleigh website as it cannot refer to Ethel Lilian's parents. her dad was too young for a marriage in 1871 if her only born 1863/4 ish.
