GILBERT\GILBART - Phillack/Hayle area: Complete

[Saartje]

Hi everyone,

I would be really grateful for assistance with the above surnames.

My great great grandfather was born Philip Nicholas GILBERT in 1863 in CopperHouse, Hayle, Phillack.  He married a Charlotte JAMES in Birmingham in 1888, which is where they moved to. He was a steam engine fitter, and died in 1917 during WW1 in Calais, France.

I am getting really stuck on his parents and siblings. I seem to be going round and round in circles. Every time I think I find something relevant, I move to the next census. Then can't find links to the previous info I found, or find new interesting references that don't seem to link in with the original information.  Or even worse, can't find anything at all.  Arrgghhh .... 

His father was also Philip GILBERT, and his mother was Jane GILBERT nee GILBERT (just to make life easier!)
Philip GILBERT was a builder/mason, according to the birth certificate I have for the Philip Nicholas GILBERT.

Any assistance/pointers/ideas would be wonderful.

Thank you in advance

From a totally confused Sarah

[Cal241]

Hi
In 1871 I have found the following
 
Philip GILBARD 49 Stone Mason
 Jane 41
Annie 14
Margaret 10
Philip 8

All born Phillock
Living in Market Street Phillock, Parish of Hayle, Exeter
Cal

[krisesjoint]

Hi Sarah, Welcome to Rootschat, We will see what we can do to help. I see Cal has already posted the 1871 census RG10/2327 Folio 66 Page 50 for you. Can you tell us where the problem lies. Is it with trying to tie up the Parents in the earlier Censuses? Have you seen the Phillack and Hayle website where the OPC has a lot of records transcribed. (Looks like Philips baptism may be transcribed as Philippa   )

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~phillack/

Cheers Kris 

[gougy]

1861 census - Phillack - RG9/1586 (Part 3)
ED 4 - Folio 95 p.28

158,"Hayle, New Row"
Phillap (sic) Gilbart Head 37 Stone Mason
Jane Gilbart Wife 33
Anne Gilbart Dau 4 Scholar
Margret Gilbart Dau 6 months

All born Phillack


1851 census - HO107/1916 RD 310/5 ED 3d p639-675

Phillack
140,North of Trevassach
Philip GILBART Head Mar 29 Mason Phillack
Jane GILBART Wife 23 Phillack
Ann GILBERT Mother-in-law Widow? 66 Chapel Keeper Phillack

[gougy]

And is this Jane in the 1841?...

1841 census - Phillack
HO107/143 pt.10 - ED 4 - Book 13 Folio 44 p.26

Copperhouse
John Gilbart 55 Labourer
Ann Gilbart 50
Jane Gilbart 12
Margaret Rogers 20 Dress Maker
Benjamin Gregory 65 Wheelwright

All born in county

[Saartje]

Hi Cal, Kris, and Gougy,

Thank you so much for responding to me.
The references you have found look really promising.  I am going to investigate these further.  So many variations on the spelling of the surname is probably what is causing me to scratch my head, and miss things.

I did find an 1881 reference for Annie, Margaret, and Philip (no parents, which is strange, so maybe Philip and Jane died between 1871 and 1881).  In that census Philip was transcribed as a mason born 1863 ... maybe he later changed profession to a steam engine fitter.

I will look at the Phillipa Gilbert baptism ... I am ashamed to admit I discarded it previously ... thought it was a girl.
I also looked for the marriage of Philip and Jane, which I can't seem to find.  Do you have any ideas there for me?

Thank you again.   

Sarah

[gougy]

From FreeBMD ...

Marriages Sep Q 1850 - Redruth - vol 9 page 304

Philip Gilbart   
and on same page
Jane Gilbart        

[gougy]

And I think this is your Philip's father Philip in 1841..

1841 census - Phillack
HO107/143 pt.9 - ED 1 - Book 12 Folio 8 p.9


Mellanowth
Phillip Gilbart 45 Laboruer
Jonna Gilbart 40 Wife
Phillip Gilbart 15 Mason
George Gilbart 14 Labourer
Wm. Gilbart 10
James Gilbart 5
Jane Gilbart 8

All born in county

[Saartje]

Gougy,

Thanks again.  I'll order that marriage certificate.

Greetings

Sarah