PAYNE Arrival in Sth Australia

[VivSonntag]

Looking for the arrival of a family of Paynes to Sth Australia between 1865 and 1871.  Wife's name is Frances (nee Pettman), probably from Kent.  Can anyone help me out here.

Regards

Viv
Nth Qld Australia

[tropicalj]

Hello there Viv

by the sa index

william payne married frances pettman  19.6.1876 in adelaide he was 34 she was 21

frances died 1913 RELATIVE (h) was husband her age is listed as 65 so that would give her birth as 1848 this differs with her marriage date but it could have been mistranscribed

they had the following children

CAROLINE CHARLOTTE  1882.2.3  underdale
ETHELDRADA EMILY  1884.11.19 NewThebarton
HENRY  1879.8.25 lOCKLEYS
THOMAS JOHN BLLARD 1876.11.04 Thebarton
WALTER CHARLES 1886-11-29 New Thebarton

will check on shipping

regards jenn
MODIFIED SO AS NOT TO UPSET ANYONE ELSE

[VivSonntag]

Thanks Tropicalj - that was fast.  I suspect the date on Frances death certificate was about correct, I have a Frances Pettman born in 1845 in Whitstable Kent.  My sources in the UK can only find one marriage (registered in Blean) for a Frances Pettman on 6 Oct 1865, but alas no spouse.

I found this birth plus the others you mentioned which started me wondering, Pettman was often misspelt or transcribed as PITTMAN:
Surname: PAYNE
Given Names: Rosa Florence
Date: 1871-01-25
Sex: F
Father: William PAYNE
Mother: Frances PITTMAN
Birth Place/Residence: Fulham
District Code: Ade
Symbol:
Book: 91
Page: 122
Cross Reference:

I'm off to NSW State Library next week so hope to find out more then.  But if you do come across something that would be wonderful.

Many thanks for your help
Regards
Viv in Nth Qld

[Shanko]

Jenn,
With the 'Informant' details on a deaths on the cd's, the relative data does not always mean that it was that particular person who was the informant. To see the true factual data you must check the original certificate.

This is from the cd help section.

The relative field is a combination of the relative’s given names, surname and relationship to the deceased (in brackets). Details came from two sources on the registrations. The Rank or Profession column, where the information was written by the registrar, or the informant column, usually in the informant’s handwriting.

With many of the SA certificates I have looked at many females have the husband's details eg: Wife of Joe Bloggs, Carpenter in the Rank and Profession part and the Funeral directors in the Informant part

Shanko

[tropicalj]

Jenn,
With the 'Informant' details on a deaths on the cd's, the relative data does not always mean that it was that particular person who was the informant. To see the true factual data you must check the original certificate.

This is from the cd help section.

The relative field is a combination of the relative’s given names, surname and relationship to the deceased (in brackets). Details came from two sources on the registrations. The Rank or Profession column, where the information was written by the registrar, or the informant column, usually in the informant’s handwriting.

With many of the SA certificates I have looked at many females have the husband's details eg: Wife of Joe Bloggs, Carpenter in the Rank and Profession part and the Funeral directors in the Informant part

Shanko

shanko,

so then how would you interpret (H) the name  as informant

jenn

[Shanko]

Jenn
What do you mean? H=Husband BUT you cannot say from the cd's that the relative Joe Bloggs (H) was the informant. That information you have to get off the certificate itself

Shanko

[Shanko]

Also on the cd's there is NOT the word Informant on the data you view so where you got that he was the informant has me baffled.
Sorry I am a stickler for 100% facts and no assumptions

Shanko

[tropicalj]

Also on the cd's there is NOT the word Informant on the data you view so where you got that he was the informant has me baffled.
Sorry I am a stickler for 100% facts and no assumptions

Shanko

Hello there Viv

sorry to have mislead You  i should not have said informant i should have said RELATIVE


I did not set out to misled you with the misuse of the word informant  instead of relative  i have modified the orginal post


I feel as if i have been singled out for rebuke

so i am apologising to you viv  I am only doing my best and it is obviously not good enough  surely this is a friendly forum and should remain that way



regards jenn

[twinkleberry]

Hi Viv

I'm in Adelaide and for 10 years I have been doing free research for people all around the world who want information about ancestors/family who came to South Australia in the 1800's.  I was in the State Library yesterday and did some looking around for information re the Payne Family.  The following is what I managed to find:-


MARRIAGE

William Payne, 34 years of age, single, son of William Payne married 19th June 1870 to Frances aged 21 years, single, daughter of Henry Pettman at Christ Church, North Adelaide, District Adelaide reference book 83 page 592

CHILDREN BORN IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA TO WILLIAM PAYNE AND FRANCES PETTMAN.

1. Caroline Charlotte born 3rd February 1882 at Underdale, District Adelaide reference book 275 page 447

2. Etheldrada born 19th November 1884 at New Thebarton, District Hindmash reference book 340 page 130

3. Henry born 25th August 1879 at Lockleys District Adelaide reference book 225 page 411

4. Rosa Florence born 25th January 1871 at Fulham District Adelaide reference book 91 page 122  (maiden name also spelt Pittman)

5. Thomas John Ballard born 4th November 1876 Thebarton District Hindmarsh reference book 173 page 329

6. Walter Charles born 29th November 1886 at New Thebarton District Hindmash reference book 386 page 438

DEATHS

1. Caroline Charlotte aged 13 years of New Thebarton died 16th January 1896 at New Thebarton District Hindmash reference book 232 page 339

2. Rosa Florence aged 26 years of Nw Thebarton died 7th October 1897 at New Thebarton Informant not recorded, District Hindmarsh reference book 246 page 48

3. Frances, aged 65 yers of Torrensville died 30th Decemebr 1913 at Torrensville, wife of William Payne District Hindmash reference book 380 page 335.

I hope the above is of some interest to you.

Regards

"Twinkleberry"
in a very hot day in Adelaide.