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« Reply #9 on: Friday 23 June 06 22:02 BST (UK) »




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« Reply #10 on: Friday 23 June 06 22:07 BST (UK) »
Very well done Valda!

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Re: ALIAS
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 24 June 06 09:03 BST (UK) »
Charlie

I do think you need the details of Caroline Sarah Grace Catling's marriage.
1. This marriage needs to prove Caroline was the daughter of John Frederick Catling (if the marriage isn't sufficient then you will need her birth certificate as well - luckily her combination of names means there can be no confusion that the 1860 birth reference and the 1880 marriage reference are the same Caroline)
2. The marriage also needs to prove this is the right Caroline Ward the same one living at the 1891 census address given on Charles' army papers.
However you do have Charles' other potential sibling John William Viner Catling at the same address '17 Dunn Street Hackney' on the 1891 census so even without the final proof of Caroline Sarah Grace's marriage details it feels very much like a 'done deal' as far as Catling to Ringrose for your Charles is concerned.

Once you've proved Caroline Sarah Grace Ward nee Catling was the sister of Charles Ringrose/Charles Christian H. Catling, to your satisfaction, (and you've been kept busy finding what ultimately happened to John Frederick and his wife Eliza Mary nee Ringrose) this might be Eliza Mary on the 1851 census (her marriage details will obviously help).

1851 census HO107 1711 folio 380
Hertingfordbury Road Hertford St Andrew  Hertfordshire   
John Ringrose 60  Bugden, Huntingdonshire,  Head Married Tailor
Caroline Ringrose 62  Bristol, Somerset,  Wife  Married
Hannah Ringrose 39  Little Amwell, Hertfordshire,  Daughter Married
Eliza Ringrose 12  Hertford, Hertfordshire,  Daughter 
William F Ringrose 10  Hertford, Hertfordshire,  Grandson

and possibly the same family
1861 census RG9 247 folio 15
15 York Street Shoreditch St Leonard  Middlesex   
William Ringrose 43  Hertford, Hertfordshire,  Head Married Tailor
Hannah Ringrose 48  Hertford, Hertfordshire, Wife 
William Ringrose 20?(30)  Shoreditch, Middlesex, Son Tailor
Charles Ringrose 4  Shoreditch, Middlesex,  Son 

1871 census RG10 466 folio 31
2 Labernam Terrace St Leonard Shoreditch  London   
William Ringrose 54  Hertfordshire, Head Married Tailor
Susan Ringrose 57 Hertfordshire, Wife  Married
Charles Ringrose 15  London, Middlesex,  Son  Unmarried Butcher

On the 1881 census William's wife's name is Susannah.

but
1841 census HO107 707/5 folio 23 page 7
Allerton Street St Leonard Shoreditch  Middlesex 
William Ringrose 20 Middlesex Tailor
Hannah Ringrose 24  Middlesex
Mary Ringrose 16  Middlesex
William Ringrose 4  Middlesex

(perhaps on this census the children's ages were mistakenly given in months not years? - still doesn't quite work as Mary Eliza was older than 16 months on the June 1841 census)

MARY ELIZA RINGROSE 
Christening:  24 FEB 1839   Saint Andrews, Hertford, Hertford
Father:  WILLIAM RINGROSE 
Mother:  HANNAH 

Births Mar 1839
Ringrose  Mary Eliza     Hertford  6 480

Marriages Mar 1839
RINGROSE  William     Ware  6 645
DEARDS  Hannah    Ware  6 645   

WILLIAM RINGROSE 
HANNAH DEARDS 
Marriage:  06 JAN 1839   Great Amwell, Hertford

Births Mar 1841
RINGROSE  William Frederic[hk]    Shoreditch  2 389

WILLIAM FREDERICK RINGROSE 
Birth:  15 FEB 1841   
Christening:  30 JAN 1842   Saint John The Baptist, Shoreditch, London
Father:  WILLIAM RINGROSE 
Mother:  SUSANNAH 

so plenty to work out further with Ringroses.

Catlings seem less confusing

JOHN FREDERICK CATLING 
Birth:  28 NOV 1836   
Christening:  09 JAN 1837   Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London,
Father:  JOHN CATLING 
Mother:  SARAH

Siblings- full IGI entries will give birth dates

SARAH ELIZABETH CATLIN Christening: 24 JUN 1838 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London
SARAH ELIZABETH CATLING Christening: 18 OCT 1841 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London
WILLIAM HENRY CATLING Christening: 15 APR 1844 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London

EDWARD WILLIAM CATLING   
Birth:  11 DEC 1833   
Christening:  24 AUG 1834   Saint Andrew, Holborn, London
Father:  JOHN CATLING 
Mother:  SARAH 

1841 census HO107 705/3 folio 6 page 25
Nottingham Place St Leonard Shoreditch  Middlesex   
John Catling 45  Middlesex Book maker
Sarah Catling 36  Middlesex
Edward Catling 7  Middlesex
John Catling 5  Middlesex

1851 census HO107 1537 folio 298
2 Nottingham Place Shoreditch  Middlesex   
John Catling 55  St Giles, Middlesex, Head  Married Backmaker?
Sarah Catling 46 St Giles, Middlesex,  Wife Married
Edward Wm Catling 17  St Luke, Middlesex,  Son  Errand Boy
Jn Fredrick Catling 15  St Luke, Middlesex, Son Errand Boy
Sarh Elizabeth Catling 9 Shoreditch, Middlesex,  Daughter 
Wm Henry Catling 7  Shoreditch, Middlesex,  Son 
Thomas Vince Catling  2  Shoreditch, Middlesex,  Son 

1861 census RG9 247 folio 48
15 Labernam Terrace Shoreditch  Middlesex   
Sarah G Catling 58  St Giles, Middlesex,  Head Widow Charwoman or Chain woman?
Sarah Elizth Catling 20  Shoreditch, Middlesex, Daughter  milliner
William Henry Catling 17 Shoreditch, Middlesex,  Son   Office Boy
Thomas Vince Catling 13  Shoreditch, Middlesex, Servant Errand Boy

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Re: ALIAS
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 25 June 06 11:15 BST (UK) »
Thankyou all, especially Valda.  I have passed the information onto another family member.  I thought a fresh approach was needed. Frankly, the Ringroses were beginning to drive me to distraction so I'm concentrating on the Davis side for a while.   

Regards Charlie
Ringrose,  (Hertford, Buckden) Catling, Gardner (shoreditch, Bethnal Green)
Sayer, Clarke(Exeter, Crediton))
Smith, Davies, Hewlett/Hewlatt, Woodhouse (Abercarn/Cwmcarn, Monmouthshire),
Jones, James, Holttom, Biggs, (Donnington, Stow on Wold, Lechlade, Didmarton))
 Wiltshire, Taylor, Reynolds, England, (Mangotsfield, Bitton, Winterbourne)


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Re: ALIAS
« Reply #13 on: Friday 20 October 06 13:40 BST (UK) »
Hi Charlie1, I am new to Rootschat so I hope that you will bear with me. I had been researching John Catling and tripped over Valda's very helpful research relevant to the Ringroses, from your perspective and the Catlings, from mine. It filled in much of my family connections and in particular, seemed to indicate that John Viner Catling, born c1818 was not my GGGf whereas the father of John Frederick Catling who married Mary Eliza Ringrose, another John Catling, born c1796, most probably was.
It seems that both Johns married Sarahs, thus the confusion on my part. This goes some way to explaining why I had been stuck at that point. My GGf, William Henry Catling, b1844, appears in the family group from the 1851 Census. Sarah G Catling,born c1805, thus would have been my GGGm and her maiden name, from Thomas Viner (not Vince) Catling's birth cert dated 1848 which I have, was Gardner. They were shown as living at 2 Nottingham Place, Shoreditch which co-relates.
St Leonard's Shoreditch was a strong focal point for the Catlings, many of whom I guess were related in some way. I have a list of over 46 between about 1770 and 1890 at that church alone.
I am now seeking details about John and Sarah, John Frederick's parents. If you or anyone else can help, I would be most grateful.
Regards, Hotspur
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« Reply #14 on: Friday 20 October 06 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hi Hotspur

Welcome to Rootschat!  :)

How wonderful if you have found a link.  I hope Charlie1 can help you out.

If you get no further after a few days, you could try posting a separate request which should attract a wider audience.

kind regards, Arranroots  ;)

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Re: ALIAS
« Reply #15 on: Friday 20 October 06 15:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Arranroots,
Thanks for your welcome and advice. I am still familiarising myself with the layout of this site.
I will wait for a reaction from Charlie1 but will post again after the weekend (no computer access) as you suggest, when I figure out how to do so.
Best wishes,
Hotspur
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Re: ALIAS
« Reply #16 on: Friday 20 October 06 20:39 BST (UK) »
John Catling 
Sarah Gardner 
Marriage:  04 FEB 1833   St Andrew's, Holborn, London

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Re: ALIAS
« Reply #17 on: Monday 23 October 06 10:27 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Its great to hear from you.  Yes I can help.  I have John Frederick Catling's marriage certificate.  I have not got any information on John Viner Catling apart from the certificate.   He was a printer by trade.   If you would like a copy your very welcome.  Caroline Catling / Ward has decendants but I've not found them.  I have family working on it.

Apologies for late response I've had problems with my internet connection
Ringrose,  (Hertford, Buckden) Catling, Gardner (shoreditch, Bethnal Green)
Sayer, Clarke(Exeter, Crediton))
Smith, Davies, Hewlett/Hewlatt, Woodhouse (Abercarn/Cwmcarn, Monmouthshire),
Jones, James, Holttom, Biggs, (Donnington, Stow on Wold, Lechlade, Didmarton))
 Wiltshire, Taylor, Reynolds, England, (Mangotsfield, Bitton, Winterbourne)