Thomas Rae who is the wife Mary or Janet?

[Dano]

Hello All,

I am hoping fresh eyes and minds may be able to sort out a small dilemma.

I have the following children born to the above couple all from Scotlands People

15/11/1806 REA MARY THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON  F BOTHKENNAR
06/06/1809 REA JOHN THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON M BOTHKENNAR
15/12/1812 REA HELEN THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON F BOTHKENNAR
27/08/1815 REA JAMES THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON M BOTHKENNAR
22/03/1818 REA ANDREW THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON M BOTHKENNAR
21/01/1821 REA MARGARET THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON F BOTHKENNAR
25/04/1824 REA BETTY THOMAS REA/JANET THOMSON F BOTHKENNAR
17/09/1826 REA ALEXIS THOMSON THOMAS REA/MARY THOMSON F BOTHKENNAR

I also have Mary b 1813 Polmont to Thomas Rae & Mary Thomson
from the LDS site

I can find no marriage for either Thomas & Janet or Thomas & Mary.  I have the death certificate for Helen Rae and this lists her mother as Mary even though the GRO has her mother as Janet

The LDS site have some of these children born to both Janet and to Mary

Am I going mad or did the mother have an identity crisis?

Dano

[apanderson]

Hi Dano,

Did you check the IGI whether the entries were extracted or submitted?

I had a wee look in the BVR's and all the children you mention are listed as being born to Thomas REA and Janet THOMSON at Bothkennar. Daughter Mary born 8th November 1806, christened 15th November 1806, so all the children you got from SP match up. (Apart from slightly differing dates of birth - BVR's give births and christenings)

Alexis Thomson REA is the only child/daughter listed to Thomas REA and MARY THOMSON born 3rd September 1826, christened 17th September 1826 at Bothkennar

Here are the Marys which show up when entering the search criteria as "Mary Rae/Rea born 1810 +/- 5 years, Stirlingshire":

RAE, Mary born 1805, St. Ninian's, Fa: William RAE, Mo:Janet GILLESPIE
REA, Mary born 1806, Bothkennar, Fa: Thomas REA, Mo: Janet THOMSON
RAE, Mary christened 1812, Larbert, Fa: William RAE, Mo: Betsy TOWERS
RAE, Mary christened 1814, Larbert, Fa:   Peter RAE,  Mo: Jean BOYD

The above Mary (daughter of William Rae & Janet Gillespie at St. Ninian's) was born 25th September 1805 and christened 7th October 1805.

I know you've probably got all this stuff but as you say, sometimes a fresh pair of eyes or a slightly different perspective can make all the difference.

You'll know also that all you're likely to find are the couple's Banns in the OPR's rather than an actual marriage certificate as 1805/06 was well before Stat. Reg.

The best of luck trying to sort them out!

Anne

[Dano]

Thank you Anne,

I am still very confused.  I had Thomas Rae (my 1st cousin) married to Mary Thomson (my 3rd G G Aunt).  Mary's parents were John Thomson & Helen Black so apart from the 1st Mary the naming pattern seemed to fit but then Thomas' parents were Thomas Rae & Helan Evan so maybe not.

This couple are too early to show up even in the 1841 census.  What has thrown was a number of things.

1) Helen b to Janet listed Mary on her death - could have been a family error
2) John b to Janet listed Mary on his 2nd Marriage 1855 - he should know who his mother was.

May be she was Mary known as Janet

Dano

[apanderson]

You have my sympathy Dano!

Maybe she was Mary known as Janet - unless it was a Tuesday then she was known an Jean, no Jane . . . . no wait a minute, Tuesdays it was Farquhar or was it Falconner.

Anne 

[Dano]

no wonder I am so potty!

[Marion1945]

Hi Dano,
I am new to this Family Tree business and have been looking through items related to some of my forebears.
In regard to the Thomas Rae in question he was my Paternal Great-Great Great Grandfather.  Birth Cert.6/6/1784 Rae, Thomas [OPR Births 487/0010 0312 Polmont]
His wife was Mary Janet Thomson born 25/11/1781 [OPR Births 479/00 0040 0549 Falkirk]
As yet I have no marraige certificates or death certificates for them.
MY family line comes through:
Thomas's son Andrew born 1818, then his son Thomas born 1846, his son Andrew born 1880, then my father Thomas born 1904.

I would appreciate any help with this family line.

Regards,
MaryPark

[Dano]

Hello Mary,

I have the same birth/christening dates as you for both Thomas & Mary.  There would be no death information for them as they would have died pre 1855.  I have never been able to find a marriage for them either.  I do however have a marriage for Andrew Rae & Agnes Dunlop - 1 June 1840 New Monkland Lanark.  I have the death certificates for both of them and would be happy to send these to you.  I will send you a PM with my E-mail and you can contact me directly if you would like these certiciates.  Apart from this I have further information on later gnerations that you mention, only on the earlier ones.

Cheers
Dano

[Marion1945]

Hi Dano,

I do have the death certificate for Andrew Rae who died in 1887 but do not have one for Agnes Rae (Dunlop) so would appreciate that very much. 

I do live in the Sydney area so contact would be good.

Many thanks
Mary