Lloyd/Wynne/Llwyd/Williams-Beddgelert

[Mair]

Could anyone possibly assist in seeking out any connection between a Lloyd family, a branch of one of the Wynne families and a Williams family.

The link between all three families is one house.....Hafod Lwyfog, Nant Gwynant, nr Beddgelert.  I am also suspicious of an Owens that mysteriously pops up from nowhere too!  I have seen information that offers separate information regards each name but in different time frames - Lloyd or Llwyd in the late C17th, Williams in the late C18th and the Wynnes inbetween. 

However, there is nothing to link them and yet they would appear from the dates to somehow "connect".  My main aim is to find out how a Williams family was living at the house early C19th, possibly at the turn of the C18th century, when they dont appear to have a connection any earlier?  But do they??

Jude

[Gadget]

Jude

It might be worth checking the online archives at the Nat Library www.llgc.org.uk

They have masses of detailed records and collections including property transfers going back to the 1500s

Gadget

[Mair]

Gadget

Thanks for that hint!

I've tried to search - I'm either being very dense or not choosing my words wisely enough!  Not a lot of anything is coming up on the results on the NLW website! Oooerr.

[Gadget]

I'll have a go now and see if I can find anything.
What collections did you search in and what did you use as search criteria?

Added:

Got to ISys:web - http://www.llgc.org.uk:81/

Then put in Hafod Lwyfog  - I got 6 hits immediately



Gadget

[Mair]

This sounds corny but it did not give me the index to the databases before!  But I have 5 hits now!

Sorry Gadget - like I say I must have been having a dense moment - at least for the past couple of days!

I have always had problems technically with this site apart from the bibliographies and now I can't get even to load those either!  Hey ho!  Such is life.

Thanks again - off ferreting out the info.  I've come across a couple before from other family lines now that I look at some of the sources - this may become even more confusing than I first thought.

[EFFPEARS]

Hi, a long time ago you were speaking of families that might have lived in Hafod Lwyfog. I have a David Roberts who lived there when he was married at Beddgelert in 1856.

He may just have been living there and not actually ownded the property.

His father was a William Roberts who had died by 1856.

Have you come across any of these names in your research Iwonder?

Elsbeth

[DCB]

John Edwards Griffith's Pedigrees has several trees with the Lloyd family of Hafod Lwyfog.

T. Ceiri Griffith's pedigrees has some later trees including one specifically for Hafod Lwyfog.

It seems to show the link between the Lloyds, Wynnes and Williams but a 19th century tree has a Jones family. One mentions a Mary Jones marrying a John Roberts and her sister, Elizabeth, also marrying a John Roberts.

I have not been through all of the references but, from what I know about other houses or farms, they were often rented out when families died out or moved on. It is possible that 19th century families may not have had any link to earlier ones.

Regards,
David

[DCB]

Some additional information on Hafod Lwyfog

In 1851, two families are there:-
Ellin and Catherine Williams aged 23 and 25, both unmarried.
John Owens, a farmer age 21, and John Jones, a quarry-man and relative age 24.

In 1841 it is John Rowlands, age about 61, and his wife, Mary, age about 51. They appear in the pedigree and their children either have no surname or are Jones, including the two who married John Roberts.

David

[Mair]

Thanks for the replies - it is John Rowlands that got me intrigued in the first place....or Jones.........all very confusing with Patronymics and the such like.  There are family tales and rumours of these names of Lloyd Wynne et al and so any information is gratefully received even after 6 years of hunting.... all jigsaw pieces must have a home somewhere.

John and Mary emmigrated in the late 1840's.

Thans again for all the info.