1841 census

[bullym]

Can anyone help me. The MURRAY family of  AIRDRIE LANARKSHIRE.  Is there anyway to look up a family on the 1841 Scottish census. Have come to a complete blank with my family search. Most grateful of any help.
Anyone wanting any help with the Grant and Sherwin families in OZ let us know. bullym

[trish251]

There are many of them living in Airdrie - Do you have any given names/ages of interest?

Trish

[bullym]

Thanks for replying Trish. My ggranfather came out to OZ in 1860 via La Gaily Mauritius from Airdrie. His birth was 1822??? and name JOHN MURRAY Engineer (birth of his son he is named John Murray father). He married a Elizabeth Neill (from Lanarkshire Scotland) in Mauritius. I have the original birth certificate of his son with his name and wife's name being born in Airdrie Lanarkshire Scotland.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated.
bullym

[trish251]

I'm not having alot of joy. There are two John Murrays born c. 1821 (Ages are rounded down to closest 5 years). One was born in Ireland & is living with a group of people from ireland, so can probably be discounted.

The other, was born in County (which is all that is available) and is working as a Publican Inner, address Chappell St Airdrie - The majority of people in the same establishment are named Falconer - appears to be mother Catherine (Grocer) and a number of adult children / various occupations - so he would probably be a lodger/boarder.


Do you have his Australian Death certificate/Index with any parent names - the other names in Airdrie (born in county) are Ann  Charles Christina Elizabeth Grace Helen Hugh James Janet Margaret Mary William.

No sign of Elizabeth in Airdrie - but lots from other parts of Lanarkshire.

Trish

[bullym]

Dear Trish, I have a birth cert of their son Harold born 30.8.1867 to parents
John Murray Engineer age 38 years
married 28.8.1860 La Gaily Mauritius born Lanarkshire Scotland and
Elizabeth Wingate formerly Neill age 35 years born Lanarkshire Scotland.
This certificate of their son (my ggranfather) of his birth was in Tinana Creek district Wide Bay Maryborough in state of Queensland.
They arrived Queensland on Ship GOLDEN CITY date 3.1.1865
with their ages Elizabeth 33
John 35
another John 30
and Jane 3years old
This is all I have been able to find.

[bullym]

Dear Trish,
Just found  John Murray died 8.5.1909 and
Elizabeth Wingate Neil Murray died 15.5.1908.
She died  Maryborough Queensland so gather he might have died also in Maryborough Q.
bullym

[trish251]

Hi BM

I just checked the Qld CD and found Elizabeth's death - father given as James Neill, no mother  but the date you have given for John does not exist. The only John  from 1909 was June 22, John Patrick Murray
(They certainly lived long lives    )

There are some siblings for John Jnr born in Qld - Do you have them?
James Oswald 1871 Harold 1867 Margaret Dundas 1866

Given that last name, there is a John Murray death registered 11 May 1907, parents James Murray and Margaret Dundas.  Have to go out - I'll look for these names in the census this evening.

Trish

[bullym]

Hi Trish,The Harold John born 1867 is my grandfather. He died I think in 1942 in Mosman Sydney.
My fathers name was Carlyle Norman Murray born 1900 and my eldest brother's name is Harold Grahme Murray. Margaret is my first name so one could say definitely keeping the names all in the family.
Margaret Dundas married George Frederick Lewis Vaughan 1892 and died 13.10.01. Had son Oswald Frederick Vaughan born 27.01.1893. Cant find anything about Jane Neall or Neil born 1861 and James Oswald Murray only know he was born 8.5.1871.
The parents you have found James Murray and Margaret Dundas certainly look right. Thanks a lot for all of this. Am truly grateful, It has been a long haul. The Murrays have definitely been the hardest of all to track down. The other side of the family (Grants and Sherwins) were a breeze compared to Murray. I think once I establish John Harold's parents it will hopefully become a lot clearer.
James Neil is Elizabeth's (the third of 5 children) father and her mother is Margaret Montgomerie both born and died born about 1788 in Riccarton Ayr, Scotland
Regards bullym

[trish251]

Hi BM

The Scots were very good at using the naming patterns so that is often very helpful in working out families. I have Scottish ancestors & they followed the rules until  the families from 1870 onwards.

When you have saved up      transcriptions of NSW certificates cost $15 and death certificates are especially good - they contain parents, marriage and children! I think the Victorian ones are much the same - they can be downloaded online for about $17. Qld you have to buy by snail mail & they are $25 or thereabouts, but are also very useful.

Have you tried freecen for the Scotland data - I'm not sure what is available but think 1841 is almost complete. Meanwhile, I'll see if I can find any track of James and Margaret in 1841.

Trish