Baker family - Ewhurst, Sussex

[berylm]

Thank you Legacy. This is all most interesting!
I have yet to check the Ewhurst PR.
Getting these things sent "down under" takes weeks!

I wonder if these are also MY Thomas and Mary Baker,
(or if there were several couples of the same name in the area)

I am particularly interested in the Aaron Baker!
My gt gt grandmother Maria Baker ( b.2 June 1815 Ewhurst)
who married William Kenard, named my gt gandfather,  Aaron.
Family legend said she wanted to name a child Moses!
Having looked at 19th century naming patterns in the area
they came from, I have found this wouldn't have been all that unusual!
BerylM

[terryc]

Maria Kennard (nee Baker) was an assisted emigrant to NSW in 1838 - "Lady Nugent". She gave them as her parents, and said her age was 23.
I forget where I got the date from,  it was a long time ago in was researching.

Well, one place is here http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Enter Kennard in the search box on the right hand side.
Tick Indexes and go
then open index to persons on government ships ....
And she is listed as "wife 23" in the remarks of William Kennard.

[terryc]

I've have been told that a Samuel Baker (born 1813 Ewhurst Sussex, Eng) is the son of Thomas Baker and Mary Crouch.

Samuel married Anne Goodsell in 1834 and their first child was Alice. all three moved to sydney, NSw, Australia on the Palmyra arriving in Sep 1838.

They settled at Surry Hills (now just east of Central Railway Station), produced a further nine children and most are buried in the grave yard at St Peters Church, St Peters (a few miles south).

Anne Goodsell (born 1817) is the daughter of Henry Goodsell and Mary Smith.

I am another one who would be interested in any further information.

[berylm]

Hi TerryC
We seem to have common ancestors back in Sussex.
Nell told me about a week ago about Samuel b. 1813.
I have yet to confirm where Maria was bapt.

I have the info from NSW Archives, having contacted them about 1977.
The info from them enabled us to do abit on the Kennard line
(I have recently discovered however, a glaring error!) 
I have only started this line of enquiry, having concentrated on the Kennard line.
I am not really surprised to hear that your Samuel ended up in NSW as well.
There was a book published on emigration to NZ which stated quite
clearly that people emigrated in groups!

Maria was the matriarch of one of the original Otago families.
William and Maria Kennard are buried at Palmerston, NZ.
They had 12 children - there are 9 descendant lines, some out to 8 generations!
Our family tree is enormous!  I did the last book in 1990.

The complete Blanch family who were the cousins of my gt gt grandfather William Kennard also emigrated to NSW in 1838. - (I have a copy of their family tree book)
I have also seen blurbs for the NZ Company encouraging emigration to NZ in 1839!

I intend following back on this line
BerylM

[Legacy]

TerryC
Now you have me very interested as you mentioned the magic word 'SMITH'.

I already have Henry Gutsell (Goodsell) and Mary Smith as it connects with my line, she being a first cousin, 5 times removed. The relationships in these families are confirmed by the Methodist records. Here they are;

R.G.4/1985  Wesleyan Methodists -Staplehurst / Sandhurst (LDS#597066 )
p.27 #139 Ellen dau. Samuel Baker  of padgham, ewhurst & ann who was the dau.(
                 henry & mary goodsell ) b.31-8-34   bpt 2-11-34 by  M.Rayner


RG 4/935 Weslyan Methodist Staple Cross Transcription ( also on LDS#883937)
p.4 Nov.18,32 Bpt. Mary GOODSALL ( Henry & Mary his wife, dau. Richard & Ann SMITH) b.Oct.14,32
p.48 c.17 May 1835  Joseph s/o Henry GOODSELL, Laborer, of Ewhurst Green, & Mary, his wife,    d/o Richard SMITH   born 20 Apr 1835     

EWHURST, Sussex  #1067149   Item 11-- Marr.1813-37;
#3  24-5-1813  Henry GOODSELL & Mary SMITH , minor, by banns   Thos. Russell
p.76 #226 ; 19-7-34 Samuel BAKER  banns & Ann GOODSALL   Thos.Bourne, Ann Smith

Hope this helps you both.

[terryc]

Thanks to everyone for their little and big bits. I am slowly digesting it all.

Spending a bit of time atm trying to work out what happened to Ellen Baker, i.e trying to find her on shipping lists (why does the Palmyra list hide all the time)

Found this
http://www.fairhall.id.au/resources/maitland/maitland.htm

Which is interesting because it picks up on Beryl's comment about groups going out from same area. This is the 1838 trip of the Maitland and it lists the families and where they came from. One from Ewhurst, one from Brede, lots of Kent and other Sussex.

Says the parish paid five pounds to shift their poor.  Would there be a list/(s) anywhere?



No baker

[berylm]

Hi TerryC
I would agree that it is wonderful that everyone is adding to the story.

Back in 1977 having heard of the Index to Bounty immigrants arriving 1828-42, I wrote to the Archives Office of NSW, Sydney, and, the State Library of NSW. They supplied me with all the info I needed, including refs to microfilm which I was able to interloan.  (There was a joint Copying Project with  the NZ Nat. Library)
I believe Archives Authority of NSW has all the info you want.
I didnt find anywhere near the  information that I was supplied with  on  http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Most of those quotes on the Maitland will be on an archives microfilm. (AO reel no.  ) They can tell you all about the individuals who emigrated, and who they were placed with on arrival  in NSW.

One of the groups of our Blanch cousin's was on the Maitland !
Edward Blanch & family, Rolvenden Kent.
It sounds as if they had a horrific passage!
Some emigration barracks at ports of departure were worse than others,
and,  people who were sick did manage to get onto emigrant ships. 
The 'Lady Nugent' was a holiday camp in contrast.

The Otago Settlers Museum in Dunedin, NZ, has an exhibit
of 'below decks' on a 19th century immigrant ship.
I really feels like you are back there! It creaks & appears to move!
We also have a Quarantine Island in Otago Harbour.
There is a cemetery on the city side, looking down to the town they
never got too. Most graves are for children.
There was a memorial unveiled on the Arthur St Cemetery monument, after the Otago 150th anniversary to the children who were lost on emigrant ships on the way over during the emigration period!   
   
Th economic situation at that time, in Kent/Sussex was bad!
I am sure the Parish authorities were keen to remove as many people as possible.
The Poor Rate was paid by the  wealthier to maintain the poor. The four main purposes of the rate were " for providing stock, putting to work, putting out poor children as apprentices, and for the necessary relief of the poor".
Emigration gave the possibility of a better life somewhere else.
 
What about the Parish chests? These were where peoples transfers were filed.
Perhaps the parish accounts would also record if they assisted  x numbers of persons to emigrate.
BerylM

[berylm]

Hi Nell
I am pleased to report that a parent search on IGI for Thomas Baker / Mary
came up with the christening entry for Maria Baker
23 JUL 1815   Ewhurst, Sussex, England

Am fascinated to see what can be got from the IGI.
Am still working on another line, but plan to do the Ewhurst PR after that.

Thanks everyone for all your assistance   
BerylM

[Little Nell]

That's good!  Wonder why I couldn't see her in the stuff I was looking at?  A small mystery.

I'm glad you found her!

Nell