Baker family - Ewhurst, Sussex

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Beryl
I;m back again and last night I asked for a 1851 census look up for Thomas Baker and Mary at Ewhurst  a fast reply from two kind hearted people gave me the answer I did'nt want to hear but as you are well aware that the Thomas Baker that died at Ewhurst has to be the Thomas that was born at Hawkhurst Kent and as I mentioned Sarah Baker nee Catt was also buried there which left me knowing that our Thomas and Mary had gone walk abouts to destinations unknown.

For what it is worth at the moment and it is only a theory I found a Thomas and Mary Baker and family coming into Victoria Australia on the ship Westminister 1841  2143A Film 4/4813 Page 194 it's a long shot because of their age but they could have lied about that too?
If this is the right family which I doubt who was left to come out with Thomas and Mary?

Another thing is last night I came across another child born to a Thomas Baker and Mary his name being James and he was christened 2/9/1821 Ewhurst which puts him in the centre of Ann 1819 and Aaron 1826

Thomas Baker 1783 had a brother named James so it is a good possibility he named his son by the same name.

This James married a Sabina Neves but the Banns were one year before their actually marriage, I know that they had at least seven children.


Colin

[Lumber-Jack]

My point is that if there is ever a need to distinguish between male descendents of these two Thomas Bakers and standard genealogical research fails, then it shoould be possible to develop with some selective testing ( and at some expense and with the cooperation of the descendent donors) the DNA "signatures" of each. Granted this would be a last resort and I don't wish to throw  any "red herrings" into this string.  Tests are also interesting for other reasons  such as deep ancestry and as information to leave for the next generation of genealogiststo use as technology , global datatbases and interpretation expand. Good luck.....Lumber-Jack

[berylm]

Hi Colin
Did the children for the Thomas Baker / Mary for this 1841
agree with what we know?

We also know that Aaron didnt leave until the 1850's.
They would have hardly left without him!

There are about 4 lines  from there children in Australia/NZ
- Mary, Samuel, Aaron & Maria (NZ)
It was being suggested to me that Thomas came with one of them.   

They appear to be our problem. The rest of the tree
goes back wonderfully. We just need to solve the problem of what happened to them.
I also have a ref for a death of a Thomas Baker in Ewhurst in 1833 - I will recheck this when I get the PR back
Cheers
BerylM

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Beryle
The 1841 census that I received had no Thomas Baker and Mary at Ewhurst they had vanished so may be they did come out in 1841 to Australia on the Westminister the next step is to ask for 1841 census on Aaron Baker and see where he was at the time.

The death I have for 7/2/1833 was for Thomas Baker's father Joseph not Thomas born 1783 but you may have something that I have'nt .

Colin

[berylm]

Hi Colin
I had also tried the 1841 & 1851 census's with no success.
Yes re the Aaron Baker request.
Hopefully with that name, he should appear somewhere
BerylM

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi
Legacy & Terry
 Concerning Ellen Baker yes she was born and christened for both those dates church records confirm Ellen Augusta Baker to Samuel Baker and Ann Goodsell.
Wesleyan Methodist  Batch no. Co68231 1832-1837 Film 0596907[RG4 925] print-out 883937 information I.G.I.

Something interesting is that Ellen seems to have disappeared but I believe both of you ladies are descended from Samuel and Ann Goodsell and if so do either of you know anything about Emma Baker who died 23rd February 1868 in Newtown N.S.W. certificate 1714 2184 parents Samuel and Ann the thing is that I can find no birth for her but a cousin has given me this Emma as being born around 1843/4 to Samuel Baker and Ann Goodsell.

I thought this Emma maybe Ellen Augusta who changed her first name for some reason but after going through shipping records I have come up with one Ellen Baker who came out to Australia on the Castilian1858 her age being 24[ spot on] two children Emma 4 and Ann 1 James Baker aged 28  I have my doubts as Ellen would have had to marry a James Baker but possible.

Any ideas on this Emma?


Colin

[berylm]

Hi All
What were the b. & chr dates for Ellen Baker in the Wesleyan index?

I believe that in the Ewhurst PR  - I transcibed it last year.
Ellen Augusta Baker  was  bur.  Ewhurst, Sussex  Oct 25th 1835 aged 1 yr.

I am reliably informed that:
Samuel  Baker 's death certificate mentions only 11 children, 10 alive when he died in 1869.
Only Alice went with him on the Palmyra in 1838.

Regarding Emma Baker:
Have you considered that  she is the daughter of:
     Samuel Sparks and Ann Potter
She  marr.   Joseph Baker   (son of Samuel Baker & Anne Goodsell) on  25 Dec 1865
Had 1 child.  Henry J.  b. 1866. 
She died  Newtown NSW on 23 Feb 1868.
Joseph Baker  then remarried a Dumvelia Taafe and has descendants.

There are a number of Samuel Baker descendants who are working on this tree.
Cheers
BerylM

[Indaloman]

Just a small piece of info. If you are going to approach county records office, please be aware that Ewehurst is now is Surrey not Sussex

[Little Nell]

Sorry but there is a parish of Ewhurst in both counties and they are not adjacent to one another!  Ewhurst Sussex is in East Sussex over near the Kent border.  Ewhurst Surrey is north of Rudgwick area of West Sussex.

Nell