Baker family - Ewhurst, Sussex

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Berylm
Sorry you misunderstood me about Moses being the son of Thomas and Mary I meant Aaron and Caroline but checking again I discover that it should have been Amos and another of Aarons sons was Caleb.
I am counting on Aaron Baker as the one who was living in or around Redfern Sydney area and not the Aaron who married to Hannnah and living at Wagga.
Do you know If I have the right one?
Aaron apparently had no less than eleven children.

Mary Baker 1830 as you said came to Australia as well but why than would Thomas and Mary[nee Crouch] have two children with the same first name the other being MaryAnna 1809  my 3 times G/Grandmother?

Did you have the details of Aaron's shipping records?

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Terry
I have a little info on a Ellen Baker who was buried Ewhurst 24th May 1878 aged 49 there is a small possibility it could be our missing Ellen Augusta but two things are against it the first one is she should have been 54 not 49 but knowing death information it is usually wrong and the other thing is she would have had to been single.
She is the only Ellen Baker that I have come across may be something to work on as you have nothing else.

Colin

[terryc]

Hi Terry
I have a little info on a Ellen Baker who was buried Ewhurst 24th May 1878 aged 49 there is a small possibility it could be our missing Ellen Augusta but two things are against it the first one is she should have been 54 not 49 but knowing death information it is usually wrong and the other thing is she would have had to been single.
She is the only Ellen Baker that I have come across may be something to work on as you have nothing else.

Colin

I'll consider it, but the cons are very high.
1) Ellen would had had to have been left behind as a young child (age 10) when the family left and I know of no reason for this atm.
2) High probability that this is a cousin. Some families have strong (very strong) naming patterns.
3) The IGI has 8 Ellen Bakers born in Sussex. within 2 years of 1829, when this 49 year old person could have been born. Plus Ewhurst is close to Kent and Surrey, so there could easily have been more contenders.

[berylm]

Hi Everyone
I have to admit to now being abit lost, 
in all these names of my gt gt grandmother Maria Bakers' nieces and nephews.

By any chance have any of you managed to work out what happened to Mary Baker (nee Crouch) wife of Thomas?
BerylM

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Berylm
In answer to your question on Mary Baker nee Crouch about her death the answer is unfortunately I found nothing on her when looking on church records years ago but there was a burial for her husband Thomas 17/1/1856 age 71 which also confirms the shipping records for Aaron Baker 1857 that he said both parents had died so it is a small stepping stone for at least we know Mary died before 1857.
Aaron Baker had mentioned his parents as Thomas and Mary but no maiden name for her.
He also mentioned no relatives living in the country but Samuel and Mary Anna both had already arrived before him.
Strange to was the fact that Mary Anna Baker had no relatives here either but Samuel had arrived a few months earlier.
the reason being might have been that her first husband was a convict and they may have disowned her.

The first wife of Aaron as I said before was Sophia and shipping records say her father was Thomas Fuller and mother Mary.
 Sophia came from Sutton Valance Kent which is about 14 miles north of Ewhurst /Bodium.

Have you any conformation on Aaron's mother's maiden name[Mary Crouch] say through a death certificate?

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Berylm
I have confirmed By shipping records that Aaron's parents were Thomas and Mary but no maiden name for her.
Both parents had died which I know Thomas was buried 17/1/1856 age 71 so that one is confirmed and at least we now know that Mary had passed away before 1857.

Have you any death certificates stating Aaron's mother as Mary Crouch that would be the proof of the pudding as we say in Australia or anything else which may indicate who she was?
 Aaron states no relatives were living here but both Samuel and Mary Ann had already arrived, a strange family.
Mary Ann Roser[nee Baker] said the same thing but Samuel had arrrived a few months earlier maybe with her first husband being a convict they did not want to associate with her?

Colin

[terryc]

 Aaron states no relatives were living here but both Samuel and Mary Ann had already arrived, a strange family.
Mary Ann Roser[nee Baker] said the same thing but Samuel had arrrived a few months earlier maybe with her first husband being a convict they did not want to associate with her?

Colin

Aaron may have had to say that no family was living here to get cheaper rates, if he came assisted.

He may not have know where Samuel & Mary Ann were. At the time, 1857, they were working on Hamilton Hume's first property at Appin.

Umm, I thought Mary Ann Roser(nee baker) came out a few years after Samuel, Mary Ann & Alice Baker (Pamyra in Sept 1838).

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Terry
Yes Samuel arrived here 26th September 1838 and Mary Anna also arrived 1838 on the ship Maitland with her husband John Roser and two children, others to arrive on same ship were Blanch relations to Aaron, Fairhall relations to Roser, Apps and many more names, even my Vidler family all 1838.
Can't think of the date for the Maitland arrival but it was within a few months.
I have got a passenger list beside me and it had the date of 15th November 1830 but it is a misprint for the year it should have been 1838.

Colin

[berylm]

Hi Everyone
My apologies for having been quiet lately.

I am intreged! 
Colin could you please tell me how the Blanch family is connected to Aaron Baker?
As I know it the Blanch's were related to Maria Baker.
Maria Bakers's mother-in-law was Sarah Blanch (m. Thomas Kennard),
 she was the sister of Edward Blanch, the father of the extended Blanch family.
- I have a copy of the Blanch family tree 'A forest of Blanches"

I only discovered that Maria had a younger brother called Aaron recently.
I have been sent a print out on that family, but apart from that I know little.
On her documentation entering NSW in 1838 Maria stated her mother was Mary Baker nee Crouch. I duly found the entry in the Ewhurst register.
I have recently discovered a short biography of Maria Kennard (nee Baker)
in a book on " Women in New Zealand in the nineteenth century"

Have any of you spent time in the Ewhurst churchyard?
Are there any tombstones for Baker / Crouch / Merricks / Mosely
that would be of interest to us? 
I am looking forward to visiting it
BerylM