Baker family - Ewhurst, Sussex

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Beryl
Sorry AAron Baker is not blood related to that family but connected through Maria his sister? which Aarons parents are for sure Thomas and Mary, this I know through the church records for Ewhurst and also his death is registered with the B.D.& M. Sydney N.S.W.
We need that proof on  his mother being Mary Crouch and if you are going to make a visit to the cemetery maybe on Thomas's grave site he may mention his children also?[Thomas Baker Died 17/5/1856 aged71]
For the moment Aaron did marry Sophia Fuller Reg. Free B.D.& M. March 1857 Hollingbourne which is not far from where she was born 30/11/1825 ch. 6/2/1826 Sutton Vallence Kent parents Thomas Breman Fuller mother Mary.

As I said before Sophia died the same year they arrived in Australia 1857 maybe she died in child birth ?
There is a web site with Aarons marriage to his second wife and their children on Rootsweb.

I will have to get back to you on those Baker/Crouch/ Merrick and Mosely families as it is going to take some time working it all out, although I have had the church records to look I got a bit bored with having so many names to search through that I didn't write everything down.

My Niece came from Otago but moved to England but her sister is still living in New Zealand what a small world it is .
Working it out my Nieces may be 3rd cousins to you not sure without family connections

Colin

[berylm]

Hi Colin
According to the Ewhurst PR
Aaron Baker was the son of Thomas & Mary Baker bap 2 Jul 1826.
Given that we have our Mary Baker, being escorted back to Ewhurst with her 2 youngest children Aaron & Mary - I am pretty confident, he was one of the family 

I have a copy of that 2nd Aaron Baker family tree
It is very likely, given the fact that his sister Maria, then used that name for her youngest son, who was my gt grandfather
I am in email contact with several Samuel Baker descendants in NSW.
There is alot of sharing between us.
I will definitely be visiting Ewhurst & a number of other Sussex villages, from where
this line comes. But I am not sure that I will find too many tombstones!
I used to transcribe tombstones years ago, so I know the business.

When I get home again I will revisit the Ewhurst PR
Cheers
BerylM

[Legacy]

Hello All
I have been following this thread and have a possible Mary Crouch for you to consider. Could she be Mary Crouch, dau. of William & Sarah Pettit, bpt. at Salehurst 1785-3-20. This is on the assumption that she was about 20 at the time of her marriage to Thos. Baker. Also the fact that Salehurst and Ewhurst are within walking distance of each other, only a few miles apart.
William Crouch married 1781-4-19 at Bodiam to Sarah Pettit.
Hope this helps.
Legacy

[berylm]

Hi Legacy
That is fascinating!
I can see I will be having fun with this one for sometime.
When I get back I will have to start requesting registers.
BerylM

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Beryl
I have just posted a message to Legacy about Mary Crouch but it has not appeared must be lost in space.
I had asked for a back up from you as I thought you may have the same details as myself.
Church Records has Thomas Crouch married to Sarah Merricks 12th May1783 at Ewhurst, Mary Crouch christened 2nd November 1783 who married Thomas Baker.
As you and I are doing the same lines of Baker/ Crouch/Mosley/ Merricks and so on we have to agree or someone is wrong.

Did you say in your previous messages that you were going to Sussex to look for deaths at the cemeteries? if so then if you have gone back further than myself than you may want to look for these names.
 Bartholomew Mosely 1645+

Mary Mosely1645-1648 the first wife of Bartholomew Joan his second wife I believe who had married him 14/9/1648

Stephen Mosely 1674+ wife Magdalen {Ranvil] 1674+ Married 1668Ewhurst

Thomas Baker 1674 -         Wife Jane [Rogers] 1719+

Joseph Merrick died 1748    wife Mary[ Bull] died 1748  parents for both of these would confirm my findings but probably not on tombstones or worn away.

And not to forget Mary Baker nee Crouch she may be buried with Thomas Baker who was buried 7/3/1856 aged 71

Colin

[berylm]

Hi Colin
I have all the same names as you re Merricks/Mosley and all that from the Ewhurst register. All of them fit really well.
I have now been sent a tree, which includes alot of info for the lines, that have spouses, moving in from villages to the west of Ewhurst.
I can see we will be doing a village crawl!

I looked back at my notes, and there was another Thomas Baker who moved in, after alot of the locals had gone to NSW, who I think is the Thomas Baker d. 1856

The Bakers seem to have gone along swimmingly until
Thomas Baker m. Mary Crouch.
They appear to have had problems!!
I wonder if he was the Thomas Baker bur. Ewhurst 1833.
I am convinced my 3 gt gt grandmother was Mary Crouch, as my
Maria said so when she went to NSW.
I will however, check the other suggestion, when I get those registers
to check the other earlier ancestors I have now become aware of.

I have just been looking at a book on castles, that has a lovely photo of the
area surrounding Bodiam Castle. Fascinating to think the ancestors lived alongside.
BerylM

 

[Ochsenkopff]

Hi Beryl

There are two family trees having a Thomas Baker marrying a Sarah Ellis Catt 25/2/1808 Northian, one saying all the children were born in Northian and the other saying that some children were born there but then they moved to Ewhurst both agree that Thomas was the one that died 1856 Ewhurst But neither can prove by Church Records where Thomas Baker was actually born but give his birth as 1784 one saying he came from Kent the other not sure now.
Sarah Ellis Baker nee Catt did die in Ewhurst as Sarah Alice Baker but was this Thomas Baker 1856 her husband or Mary Crouch's?

It is so confusing and frustrating sometimes but we have to carry on and prove who is right.

Now I have probably frustrated you, sorry.

Colin

[Lumber-Jack]

As a long time interested follower of this string and having a mother named Baker from Hastings, I suggest that when everybody is exhausted there is always Y chromosomal DNA testing which can, with high probability, resolve some nearer term lineage issues such as which line is decended from which male Baker provided the research has been done to identify current male descendents to cross check.We have done some already with a valid result. Best Wishes and Good luck! Lumber-Jack

[berylm]

Hi
I think that there are at least 2 Thomas Baker's who lived at Ewhurst, around this time.
In the 1851 census:
Thomas Baker, husband of  Sara Ellis Catt  says he was born  in Hawkhurst, Kent.
So he isn't our ancestor.

Our Thomas Baker who was bapt. at Ewhurst   4 July 1784 & m Mary Crouch 17 July 1805.
Might have died in England, but I have also been told he went to NSW.
Given that so many of this family did end up in NSW that wouldnt surprise me.
BerylM