Amberley Baptism Lookup 15/02/1829

[downside]

Hi Jan

I thought Chichester did have certain East Sussex records as well, I remember they had some Portslade records when I was last there.

I think you mean Ann Wakeham not Harriett?

Regards

downside

[janan]

No did mean Harriett (despite writing Hannah ) as any bastardy orders would be in her name. I will take the marriage details in case they do have the records - although Brighton isn't on the list I have what they've got on fiche.
Jan

[downside]

Hi Janan

According to their website they hold all the parish BMD records for both East and West Sussex.

http://www.westsussex.gov.uk/ccm/content/libraries-and-archives/record-office/collections/record-office-holdings.en

"As the Diocesan Record Office we hold the official records of the Bishops of Chichester; the Dean and Chapter of Chichester and the property they owned. The records include the original parish registers of baptisms, marriages and burials and the bishops transcripts from every parish in both West and East Sussex."

I think the same is for the census records too.

If you can manage the marriage lookup (go on, I know you're curious) then it would be much appreciated.  Gold Star Award to Janan 

Cheers

downside

[Jane Masri]

Hi Downside & Janan,
Firstly, I'm going to make a BIG apology to Janan because I might have spoiled her fun
Last night I found, on the Sussex Look-up Exchange, someone with the Amberley parish records & (I'm so sorry) I couldn't resist, I asked for Ann's baptismal entry & a possible burial for Harriet.  Here's what came back.....

There only states Ann was baseborn and that Harriett Wakeham had an occupation as Servant.  If you can find out where she was a servant then it may help.

Yes Harriet wife of Thomas Gent died December 9th 1833
aged 23 years.

So there's nothing there that might suggest Barnard West was the father, but I would still look for any bastardy orders in her name or that of Barnard West.

Janan, Downside & I have had a PM exchange & I found that Harriet & Thomas GENT had a legitimate son, George bap 22/5/1831.  In 1841, George is with his grandparents in North Stoke with an uncle & assorted cousins which suggested to me that Harriet had died, confirmed above.  Can't find Thomas Gent in 1841 but he reappears in 1851 in Rotherhithe with a new wife, Caroline.  In 1861 he is widowed, in lodgings in Bermondsey (FreeBMD death of Caroline Gent, Bermondsey Dec. 1855 1d 64) Downside told me that Thomas Gent died Bermondsey 1864.
I have struggled to find the son of Thomas & Harriet, George, in 1851 & beyond but he's just not there 

jane

[janan]

"As the Diocesan Record Office we hold the official records of the Bishops of Chichester; the Dean and Chapter of Chichester and the property they owned. The records include the original parish registers of baptisms, marriages and burials and the bishops transcripts from every parish in both West and East Sussex."

Well I never that's news to me but I've only lived in Chi 32 years

OK I'll see what I can find. At least I still have something to lookup Jane

Jan

[downside]

Hi All

Thanks for that Jane.

Can you confirm Ann's full baptism name.  As you are aware several LDS church submitters list her as Ann West.  Someone has listed her as Ann Wakeham West Gent.  So what is her full name please?

Everything now hinges on what name she entered in the father column on her marriage certificate.  If that has been left blank or has her stepfather's name, Thomas Gent, then I'll have to contact some of the LDS submitters to find out why they are citing Barnard West as the father.

Cheers

downside

[Jane Masri]

Hi Downside,
I'll ask the 'lookerer upperer' on the exchange for that information but as I had told them what we were looking for I think it will say, 'Ann, baseborn daughter of Harriet Wakeham, servant of Amberley',

Give my regards to Chi, Janan 

jane

[Jane Masri]

Janan & Downside,
Been doing some extra homework on the Wakeham's & this West connection.  I think you'll be interested in my findings 

1841 - Amberley

George Prescott?  20
Harriet                   20
Jane                        6m
Ann Wakeham        12

Guess who's next door?
Barnard WEST, wife Margaret & assorted children 

1851- we know that Ann Wakeham is married to Edward Braby & living in Brighton with daughter, Harriet.

1861 - 14 Sussex Rd, Hove

Edward Braby  33  flydriver  b. Amberley
Ann                  32                        ditto
Harriet             11                 b. Brighton
Robert               9                          ditto
George              4                  b. Hove
Jane                   2                      ditto

In the same house,
Jane Wakeham 35 unm  laundress  b. Amberley
Thomas Wakeham  son  4                       ditto
William Wakeham   son   2               b. Brighton

I think Jane is the wife of a cousin & possibly widowed rather than single.  An extracted record on the IGI shows a marriage between a Charles Wakeham & JANE WEST 7/11/1852, Amberley.  Barnard had a daughter, Jane born about 1831, so could be her!
Harriet had a brother, Charles (admitedly IGI submitted) bap. 1799, Amberley.  This I would think is his marriage, from the SMI,

South Stoke, West Sussex,  23 Sep 1820:
 Charles WAKEHAM, Amberley WSX (B)
 Hannah AYLING
From the Bishops Transcripts.

Charles & Hannah had a son, Charles bap. 24/4/1831, Amberley (extracted record)  I think it's him who married Jane West.

 1871 - 14 Sussex rd, Hove

Edward Braby  42  flyman
Ann                  42  laundress
George H.         14     b. Hove
Jane                  12          ditto
Dan                    9           ditto
Thomas              7           ditto
Elizabeth            4           ditto
Annie                  2           ditto
Albert                 1m         ditto

I noticed from that ancestral file that Ann is down as dying in Salt Lake City in 1915 which might be the reason why I can't find them in 1881 - they emigrated- but can't find them on the Ellis Island website 
However, did find the following names on the Salt lake City Cemetery Records,
Edward Braby, no date, Annie 1884, Dan 1884, George H, 1888.  Possible children?

jane

[janan]

You've been busy Jane

I have a similar scenario in 41 with my Ann Noon (by this time married for the second time) living nextdoor to a man of the same name as the father named in a bastardy order for my baseborn Hannah Noon. A bit weird if it is him  .

Jan