Elusive Milwards in 1841 - Redditch

[avm228]

Dear all,

I have looked up and down for this family in 1841 without success, and am wondering whether extra pairs of eyes out there might be able to find them.

The family I'm looking for is the Milwards.  By 1851 they were in Beoley Lane, Redditch.  Here's the family (that I know of) - from other sources:

Henry Milward b abt 1802 Redditch, Manufacturer/factory owner
Catharine/Catherine Milward (wife) b 2 July 1799 Richmond, Surrey

plus children (all born Redditch):

Henry Charles Milward b 8 Dec 1831
Catharine/Catherine Sarah Milward b abt 1833
John Frederic Milward b abt 1835
Mary Jane Milward b abt 1836
Robert Harding Milward b 17 Oct 1838
Victor Milward b 10 Aug 1840

Any help with finding them in 1841 would be greatly appreciated.  (They were not with Catharine's relatives in Richmond).

Many thanks

Anna

[Yegvard]

Hi Anna,

I have MILWARD interests, 2 in fact, and am struggling to sort them currently.  They are somewhat earlier in dates though.  Although I haven't got the 1841 for this family, I have a feeling that you may be looking in the wrong place.

In 1841 Tardebigge and Ipsley were considered to be part of Warwickshire coming under Alcester district.

I also have the needlemakers family tree.  A simplified one starting in 1600.  Probably prepared by Jean Neville, plus an article she wrote on the MILWARDs

Mike

[avm228]

Hello Mike,

How nice to hear from a fellow MILWARD researcher.  I've got 4x g-grandfather Henry's (b 1802) direct line going back to Richard MILWARD b abt 1600 - from various sources including Burke's Landed Gentry, memorial inscriptions and info kindly provided by other researchers.  I also have various indirect lines (cousins & so on) so might possibly be able to help if you've got MILWARD people to sort out.  Feel free to PM me.  I'd be most interested in Jean Neville's article - I don't think I've been in touch with her.

So far as 1841 is concerned, I have trawled through the whole of the Tardebigge enumeration and found no trace of these MILWARDS.  I suspect they've just slipped through the net somehow.  I don't suppose the census would tell me anything I don't already know about them - they couldn't realistically have fitted in any more children than I already have for them - but I hate having pieces of the jisgaw missing!

(Cousin?) Anna

[fred1951]

Hi Anna

I think I have found them, well the kiddies not mum and dad. Some of the names are a bit  See what you think.

1841 Ipsley Warwichshire Reg'district Studley

Henry Millward 9 yrs
Charles  ..    7 yrs
James    ..    6 yrs 
Mary     ..    5 yrs
Richard   ..    2 yrs
Valentine  ..   9 months 

It doesn't give an address but the pages before and after has Mount Pleasant and Breedon on them.

HO107/1124 /6/18/29

Julia

[avm228]

Julia - thankyou indeed - that is intriguing

The ages seem to be exactly right, even down to the 9 months for the baby.  My Milward family certainly owned land at Studley from at least 1819, so the place is good too.  Three servants is about right also, though unfortunately none of the servants listed here coincides with the family's servants later on.

The names - well, if this is them:

Henry Charles becomes Henry - fine
Catherine Sarah becomes Charles - hmmm...
John Frederic becomes James
Mary Jane becomes Mary - fine
Robert Harding becomes Richard
Victor becomes Valentine

Well, they all have the right first initial!  And I can't trace a separate family later on with a Valentine etc (or a baptism/civil birth reg. for a Valentine Milward).

I wonder whether the household census form was filled in by a servant with poor handwriting so that the enumerator could just about make out the first initial and had to guess at the rest.

As I say, intriguing - many thanks for drawing this to my attention.  I will investigate further

Anna

[fred1951]

Sorry Anna,

I've looked and looked for Catherine & Henry but alas I didn't find them, whats the betting they to have been given a different names too!!

Julia

[gumpy]

I can confirm identity of Henry Milward - born 1802  -  he was my mother Agatha Milward's greatgrandfather.
His Gandfather (also Henry born 1730) his grandmother Sarah Brandish , his father (Henry again born 1770) his mother - Sarah Smith and most of his brothers and sisters are buried in a huge tomb in Tardebigge churchyard. 
Any informatioln about either Sarah Brandish or Sarah Smith would be welcome

[avm228]

Hello Gumpy and a warm welcome to Rootschat

It looks as though we are cousins - I'm descended from Mary Jane Milward b. 1836, daughter of Henry b. 1802.  Mary Jane was my ggg-grandmother and is buried at Highgate Cemetery in the Pierce family grave (she married John Timbrell Pierce).

I'm currently in New Zealand cuddling Henry Milward's newest descendant (my 7-week-old niece) and all my FH research is in London, so I have no immediate access.  I do have more on both the Brandish and Smith families which I would be delighted to share with you when I can.  I'll be back in London in early October.

I would be delighted to learn where your line fits in.

Looking forward to being further in touch

Anna

[tedzwedz]

Hi Anna,

I also have the needlemakers family tree.  A simplified one starting in 1600.  Probably prepared by Jean Neville, plus an article she wrote on the MILWARDs

Mike

Hi Mike

Re: the above, I am a Milward (my middle name), My mother is a  Milward (daughter of Francis John) on your Milward Needles 250th Anniverary Calender (which I presume your Milward 1600 family tree came from?).

My Grandfather Francis John (known as John) even opened Milward Square in Redditch Shopping Centre in 1983 with the Queen as the family member. We sold out of Milwards Needles some time ago as you probably know

I am interested in the Article you refer to, written by Jean Neville, would you have a copy to hand by chance?

Kind Regards

Edward