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MANTACH/MANTOCH
« on: Monday 05 June 06 04:19 BST (UK) »
I am looking for information on the MANTACH family from Speymouth...

John MANTACH married Margaret BROWN on 9 August 1744 in Speymouth.

I know of two of their children:
Elspet MANTACH - born 8 April 1747 in Speymouth
John MANTACH - born 7 August 1751 in Speymouth

I'm sure there would have been more than two children born to this couple...

Their son, John MANTACH (born 1751) married Jean HOSACK on 21 June 1772 in Bellie.

I have been told that the MANTACH/MANTOCH family can be traced to Rothes, Morayshire, Scotland.  They were farmers and tacksmen for at least two hundred years.  The only place where the name MANTACH occurred was in one community - Garmouth, in the Parish of Speymouth, Morayshire, Scotland.  After 1775 the Speymouth spelling reverted to MANTOCH.

Any information about this family would be greatly appreciated.

Best Wishes,
Sarah WALKER (m.s. HALL)
Australia

AIRDRIE, ANDERSON, ANSELL, BAUCHOP, BOORN, BOYLE, BURNET, DALE, DONALDSON, DOWNS, GILLESPIE, GRAHAM, GRAY, HADDOW, HALL, HAYES, HAYNES, HOUDALAKIS, JEFFREY, KIZER, LAWLER, MANTACH, MCALEAR, MCCABE, MCDONALD, MCNAY, MEIKLE, MILLAR, MILNE, MYCOCK, O’DONNELL, PREMO, QUINN,  RAINEY, RILEY, ROBB, RUSSELL, SIMS, SMELLIE, STEVENSON, SUNDERLAND, WALKER, WISEMAN and YOUNG

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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #1 on: Monday 05 June 06 19:34 BST (UK) »
Sarah:  If you Google "Moray's Heritage" then click, the Local Heritage Page will come up.  Scroll down the left hand menu to LIBINDX, click,then click on PEOPLE and search for your surname.   There are several of that name listed.  You may find this site very helpful as I have done in the past in locating ancestors from Moray.

Incidentally, I descend from Isabella Walker born in 1814 in Duffus, Moray, daughter of James and Mary Walker.  She was my great, great grandmother and she married William Falconer in 1838.
Good hunting!    Torrygirl, Canada
PS  I tried to look at your Website, but of course didn't have your password so couldn't enter.

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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 09 July 06 19:31 BST (UK) »
Hello Sarah

My 1C1R Betty also says that MANTACHs in that area are related the one that married my GGG Aunt Ann ROSS (1816-1906).  He was John Mantach b ab 1816 Rothes - d 12 Oct 1889 12 Green St Rothes, married 1844 Rothes.

They had 4 children: Margaret (1840-1863) who married a John McPherson; James b 10 May 1844 Rothes; John b 24 May 1846 Green St, Rothes; and Thomas MANTACH b 4 Mar 1853 Rothes who was a cabinetmaker and married Elizabeth DUFF 1875 in Dunfermline.  They had five children, not much on them except John b 1875 in Dunfermline is a billiard maker in the Golden Lion Hotel in Stirling in the 1891 Census.

Not sure how much more info 1C1R Betty has, but hope the above is of interest.  How do you link in?

Best wishes
Buzzy Garden
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Morayshire: MACKAY, MURRAY, KENNEDY, ROSS, SMITH, MILNE; MORRISON, STEWART, PENNY, DEAN, McCONNACHIE

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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 July 06 04:25 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your message Buzzy,

John MANTACH (born 7 August 1751 in Speymouth, Morayshire, Scotland) was my husband's 5th Great Grandfather.

He married Jean HOSACK on 21 Jun 1772 in Bellie, Morayshire, Scotland.

Maybe one day I will discover a link with the names you have provided.

Thanks again.

Best Wishes,
Sarah WALKER (m.s. HALL)
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AIRDRIE, ANDERSON, ANSELL, BAUCHOP, BOORN, BOYLE, BURNET, DALE, DONALDSON, DOWNS, GILLESPIE, GRAHAM, GRAY, HADDOW, HALL, HAYES, HAYNES, HOUDALAKIS, JEFFREY, KIZER, LAWLER, MANTACH, MCALEAR, MCCABE, MCDONALD, MCNAY, MEIKLE, MILLAR, MILNE, MYCOCK, O’DONNELL, PREMO, QUINN,  RAINEY, RILEY, ROBB, RUSSELL, SIMS, SMELLIE, STEVENSON, SUNDERLAND, WALKER, WISEMAN and YOUNG


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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 February 09 02:35 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sarah

Just browsing the old listing on Moaryshire list here and spotted your interest in Mantach's/Mantochs etc. 

My 6gr grandparents are James Mantoch (bn 1741 Rothes) and Jane Simpson. Their daughter Elizabeth (bn 1770 in Rothes) married James Benzies in 1794 ... and their son James (bn Rothes 1775) married Jane Inch in 1813

Are you still researching Mantach's?  Likelihood of a connection with the Garmouth people you go back to seems fairly high.... I would have thought.

Happy to share information and see if we can develop the Mantoch connections back at that time.

Alan (Davidson)

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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 February 09 02:49 GMT (UK) »
Sarah/Alvagirl

Just reading Alvagirls response too and looking at John Mantoch's death registration in 1889 at Rothes I see he is recorded as the son of Peter Mantach and Jane Insch.

I suspect this may be an error in the christian name.... and that it could be James Mantoch and Jane Insch (ref my earlier response).  If John was born in 1816 it would fit in with the other info I haveL  James Mantoch married Jane Inch in Rothes in 1813 and have the following children recorded:

Ann 1813
James 1819
George 1822
Peter 1825
William 1828
Jane 1830
Alexander 1834

The 6 year gap 1813 to 1819 always struck me as having an unrecorded birth - and it now seems clear to be John in 1816. 

Would be very interested to hear more from you on your connections too Alvagirl.  Looks like a definite link here.

Regards

Alan (Davidson)

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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #6 on: Monday 02 February 09 19:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alan (and Sarah)

Well, I never did get round to asking my 1C1R for more on the Mantachs - really just a passing interest cos John b ab 1816 (IGI has chr 22 Jul 1815 Rothes, James Mantach & Jean Inch) married my GGG aunt Anne ROSS, younger sis of my GG gfa Donald ROSS.  Altho both sibs born in Bourtie, Abdnshire, this was the beginning of the ROSS tribe settling around Knockando & Boharm.  And of course an unusual surname is tempting . . .

Altho I had death date of John Mantach's death, I had not seen cert, so thank you for that, good to have parents and see connection (your MANTACH GGGG grandparent had a sibling who married my GGG aunt - agree?).  Kinda fits naming tradition, but all common forenames.

Do you have James MANTACH & Jean/Jane INCH in Brick St in 1841 Census (with Ann, George, John (age leap to) and Alexander)?  And in 1851 in Breich St (poss mistranscription of Brick St?) with George, Peter, Ann (age 29, so first Ann might have died or lied) and a grandson Alexander age 6.  If not, they are on FreeCen.

"My" John b ab 1816 is at home in 1841, Green St 1851 with wife + first 3 children, still there 1861 but 2 eldest children not (James poss a cattleman at Glen of Rothes), just John age 14 & Thomas age 8, not found him in 1871, but still a Gen Lab age 64 liv Green St with Ann in 1881.  John d 1889 as you say, but his wife Ann (my GGG aunt) is still at 12 Green St in 1891, a 76 yr old washer woman with grandchildren Annie 18, Thomas 9, Jane 6; these are the 3 of the 5 children of their 3rd child Thomas MANTACH b 1853 who mar 1875 Dunfermline Elizabeth DUFF.  Thomas b 1853 was a Cabinet Maker and seems to have moved about; although I have him with family in London in 1881 census, can't find him in censuses Sc nor Engl after that.  In 1901 Census my GGG aunt Ann (died 1906) is still at 12 Green St with only Jeannie/ Jane Calder MANTACH) age 16, gdau.

Got a wee bit more, and think I have been in touch in the past with someone else interested in MANTACH, but sorry, that has not been filed away.

Have you looked at Moray libindex?  there are 79 MANTACH entries there (without soundex).  One caught my eye, a John MANTACH (1811 Dundurcas -1900), parents Peter MANTACH & Annie GERRIE - there are obituaries in 3 local newspapers.  I've ordered up newspaper articles from them in the past for another line, very reasonable £1 each plus postage, swift response.  One obit I got not only had a photo, but also names of children AND the four pall-bearers with their relationship to deceased - new info to me.  So you might get lucky with the Mantachs.

Hope this is of interest.
Best wishes, Buzzy
Aberdeenshire: GARDEN, BEATTIE, DUNN, DAVIDSON, BRAIK, JAFFRAY; JAMIESON, THOM, HAY, SCOTT
Morayshire: MACKAY, MURRAY, KENNEDY, ROSS, SMITH, MILNE; MORRISON, STEWART, PENNY, DEAN, McCONNACHIE

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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 14 February 09 20:39 GMT (UK) »
Since we are on the subject, Elizabeth Mantach, daughter of Peter Mantach and Ann Gerrie, married my 1C5R James Sutor. I have quite a lot of information about their descendants. If you are related, PM me with your e-mail address and I'll send you a chart.

There is also Anne Mantach, described in the Rothes parish register in 1773 as 'spouse to John Leslie in the Green-bank'.

John Leslie in Greenbank, Rothes, had five children between 1751 and 1775.  William Mantoch was a witness at the baptism of their youngest son William. I think it was their daughter Janet Leslie who married another of my 1C5Rs, William Leslie.

I'd welcome any light that anyone can shed on this Anne Mantach.
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Re: MANTACH/MANTOCH
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 01 March 09 13:32 GMT (UK) »
I have some information about the family of that time but not the exact line.  My ancestor was William Mantach (b 31.8.1805) son of John Mantach and Elizabeth (nee Grant), one of 7 children, Ann (1794), Jannet (1797), Elspeth (1799), John (1801), James (1803) & Beatrix (1809)

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