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Offline Deslaw

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Lost in Ince
« on: Friday 22 October 04 19:28 BST (UK) »
???  HELP!!!!

Does anyone out there have access to an old map of the Ince in Makerfield area circa 1870?

I am looking for the location of the birth of my Ggrandfather but after months of searching I am more confused than ever.  The details on his Birth Certificate state that he was born in the Hare & Hounds Inn, Rock Farm, Ince, Sub District of Hindley, Registration District of Wigan.

I have been able to locate Rock House in Ince but this does not ever appear to have a farm attached.  There is a pub in Hindley called the Hare & Hounds but I am not sure if it is old enough.

Can any kind soul please give me directions?  :-[

Des
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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 July 24 20:02 BST (UK) »
Hi just seen your past. Did u ever find the farm? My great grandfather John Ames was born there in 1856
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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 July 24 20:16 BST (UK) »
No map, I'm afraid, Des, but I wondered if you had seen this thread on "Wigan World"?  Long story short, not an "official" address but seems to have been used by various people registering life events.  https://www.wiganworld.co.uk/communicate/mb_message.php?opt=f1&msd=444055&offset=&subject=ROCK%2520FARM

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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #3 on: Monday 22 July 24 20:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your reply. Yes seen Wigan World conversations. Seems to be a line of mining families in that house. Whats your relative called and do u know what pit he worked in Cheers

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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 23 July 24 12:01 BST (UK) »
In the 1871 census there are 370+ people listed as living in Rock Farm, Warrington Road, Ince in Makerfield.
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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 23 July 24 12:51 BST (UK) »
In the 1881 census, 104a Warrington Road is noted as being "Hare & Hounds Yard". (William Reeves, iron puddler). Enumerated immediately following Ince Cemetery Lodge.
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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 23 July 24 13:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you on the birth cert says near Rock Farm, so seems a common location used in the area for records

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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 July 24 14:12 BST (UK) »
There are two Warrington Roads! One goes through Ince in Makerfield and Rock house is located on it. The second starts in Wigan as the B5386 before joining the A49. In the 1845 map it is marked as the Warrington and Wigan Trust but would have been known simply as Warrington Road.

It is on this road where the Hare & Hounds Inn was located just west of where the Hare & Hounds Yard was located at 104a Warrington Road. The Inn, itself, was located at Lane End.

The Wigan Directory 1869 - Lamberhead Green, - Richardson Isaiah, Hare Hounds Thwaites’ delf.

A large swaithe of the land to the west of Rock House would have been farmland, probably belonging to owners of Ince House but named after Rock House (rather like "Home Farm"). This would have been gobbled up by the industrialization but with the historic name remaining.

Basically, this means a birth location of Rock Farm could be any of the farm cottages on that land. If the birth was in one of the hamlets I feel sure that it would have been recorded as such.

I have attached three maps. The smallest scale shows the proximity of the Hare and Hounds to Rock House (about 2km as the crow flies).
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Re: Lost in Ince
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 23 July 24 14:19 BST (UK) »
Thank you made more sense to me. My family were there for a while and I had a great uncle who owned a coal pit Cheers
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