ALLSOPP - Researching Family Name

[yaya2]

Hi Grace
I don't know whether my Allsopps are from Wirksworth or not.The only Allsopp I  have is in the second name of my g.g. grandfather William ALLSOPP Massey born Hungry Bentley in 1809. I think ( but can't prove as yet) that the name is part of a naming pattern where a second name it taken from the surname of a relative.Several of William's children and granchildren have the second name 'OAKDEN"
Cheers
Yaya

[janan]

Hi Grace

My Allsopps are from Wirksworth. I don't have an Isaac in direct line but it is a name that occurs in the family. I see there is no baptism for your Isaac but guess he would have been born c1660 - my umpteenth great grandfather James married Susanna Wandell in 1648. I have found some children for them including a Grace born and buried 1662. Who knows your Isaac may be one of theirs? There is a 'blank' son of James Jul 2 1656 who could fit the bill.

I haven't looked at any Derbyshire wills but have handled some Bedfordshire ones form the 16 and 1700s  - I agree it is an amazing experience!

Jan

[TAB004]

Hi

I have Winifred's address so must join - sounds worth the £3.

Kayzee
I see your Isaac appears from no-where to marry in 1683 but the clutch of Isaac's following him are all mine (at least upto and including the 1813 marriage to Mary Otto) although none direct line. I would say there is a strong possibility that your Isaac is somehow connected to my lot. Mine are in Wirksworth from at least 1627, when James Allsop married Ellen Wall, until my great grandfather left for London in the mid 1880's.

Jan

Hi, I see you mentioned James Allsop and Ellen Wall. Do you have any info on either of them further back, esp. James' father. Was his father Thomas, son of Anthony? I am speculating.

[janan]

Hi, I see you mentioned James Allsop and Ellen Wall. Do you have any info on either of them further back, esp. James' father. Was his father Thomas, son of Anthony? I am speculating.

Hi TABOO4

Welcome to Rootschat

I have no idea who James' father was I'm afraid, but, like you, have speculated on a connection to the Allsops of the Dale. James, John and Antony 'Esq' all baptised a son John in Wirksworth around the same time so that they are related seems very likely.  It has been a quest to link us in since since at least my Grandpa's younger days, so nigh on a hundred years now, but so far we have failed! How are you related to the Wirksworth Allsops?

Jan

[TAB004]

Hi, I see you mentioned James Allsop and Ellen Wall. Do you have any info on either of them further back, esp. James' father. Was his father Thomas, son of Anthony? I am speculating.

Hi TABOO4

Welcome to Rootschat

I have no idea who James' father was I'm afraid, but, like you, have speculated on a connection to the Allsops of the Dale. James, John and Antony 'Esq' all baptised a son John in Wirksworth around the same time so that they are related seems very likely.  It has been a quest to link us in since since at least my Grandpa's younger days, so nigh on a hundred years now, but so far we have failed! How are you related to the Wirksworth Allsops?

Jan

Hi, Glad to be a part of the discussion. I am Robert Bainbridge Alsop IV, directly related all the way back agnatically through Richard Alsop who was brought to American soil in 1665 at the age of 5 by his uncle Thomas Wandell, and onward in England back to James Allsop and Ellen Wall. It is a little frustrating not being able to trace back further at this time except by way of speculation, but kind of a relief anyway since Gamellus de Haleshoppe was most likely a Norman invader... I have some AngloSaxon pride. 

[janan]

Hi Robert

So you are descended from James and Susanna. Richard would have been taken to America around the time my ancestor Wandell was born (first of many taking Susanna's maidenname as a first name). Susanna died in 1667 but I'm not sure when James died - have you any idea? Did any of the other children go with Richard?


Jan

[TAB004]

Hi Robert

So you are descended from James and Susanna. Richard would have been taken to America around the time my ancestor Wandell was born (first of many taking Susanna's maidenname as a first name). Susanna died in 1667 but I'm not sure when James died - have you any idea? Did any of the other children go with Richard?


Jan

I have that James died: 1668, Wirksworth, Derbyshire, England. I know of only Richard being brought to America. Probably after both parents died, the older children were looking for others to help raise the kids, so Uncle Thomas Wandell must have volunteered to adopt Richard. Do you know who raised Wandell?

[janan]

There isn't a burial for James on the Wirksworth site but he must have died after Susanna as she is listed as 'wife of' at her 1667 burial. I don't know who looked after the younger children but I guess family. Your Richard would have gone with his uncle 2 yrs before his parents  died if he went in 1665  - I wonder why? To offer him a better future?? Or could the date be wrong?

Jan

[TAB004]

The date is iffy. Here are some conflicting sources:

According to Destruction of the Alsop House (Brooklyn Eagle, March 28, 1880):

"Thomas Wandell was the founder of the Alsop family, through Richard Alsop, his nephew, whom he brought from England, while a mere boy, about the year 1665 and adopted as his son and heir."

According to the American Historical Magazine, Volume II, January, 1907 to November, 1907 (The Americana Society, 1907; page 272):

"The first of the name in America was Richard Alsop, who inherited from his uncle, Thomas Wandell, a large estate of Newtown, Long Island. Richard Alsop came to this country between 1670 and 1685, and d. October 17, 1718."

According to Illustrated History of the Borough of Queens New York City (George Von Skal, 1908; page ):

"The Alsop family was also among the early settlers. Richard Alsop, the first of the name to locate here, came at the request of his uncle, one Thomas Wandell, who was said to have left England because he had become involved in a quarrel with Oliver Cromwell, though this report is doubtful, for it is known that Wandell was living at Mespat Kills in 1648, or before Charles I was put to death. He had secured a considerable tract of land by patents and purchase which he left to his nephew, Richard Alsop. The family he founded became extinct in 1837 when the last of the name died without issue."

According to this last one, I don't exist. 

Also, I believe the first two of the above quotations are mistaken in that they assume Richard Alsop to be the first Alsop in America. The earliest mention of an Alsop in America that I have found is Joseph Alsopp (son of John and Temperance (Gilbert) Alsop; born: ~1621, Derby, England; baptized: January 18, 1621, Dale, Derby; married Elizabeth Preston [the eldest daughter of William Preston] in 1647; New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut; died: November 8, 1698, New Haven, Connecticut), who arrived at Boston accompanied by Thomas Alsopp (aged 20, Joseph's brother ?) at the age of 14 on the Elizabeth & Ann in 1635, from London, England; and from Boston went to New Haven, where he took an oath of fidelity in 1644. Joseph and Elizabeth's firstborn was Joseph Alsop II (born: 1648/9, New Haven, Connecticut; died: January 12, 1691, New Haven, Connecticut). Until I find info to suggest otherwise, I will assume Joseph Alsopp and Thomas Alsopp were the first Alsop's to come to America, and that Joseph's firstborn Joseph II, was the first Alsop born in America.