ALLSOPP - Researching Family Name

[yaya2]

Hi everyone
This is my first post and I hope someone can help me. I am trying to find the Allsop connection to my g.g. grandfather William Allsop Massey born about 1808 at Hungry Bentley Derbyshire.Father John Massey.
So far as I can make out,going by the naming of his son John Godwin Massey ,the Christian name is from the Grandfather and the second name from the surname of the mother. Does this make sense?
Some of WAM's children and grandchildren had the second name of Oakden.

Yaya

[janan]

Hi Ber

Welcome to Rootschat

My Allsops come from Wirksworth but I can't tie your John Henry in to them

If you've not already found it this site is well worth a look

http://www.wirksworth.org.uk/

Regards

Jan

[janan]

Hi yaya

Welcome to Rootschat

It makes perfect sense what you say about the Allsop being from the mother's side. I can see why you are stuck as it is difficult to track back if you don't know who the mother is! I take it you know his father from his marriage cert but haven't as yet found a baptism for him?

I will have a think

Jan

Ahh I see there is a baptism 22 Aug 1808 in Longford but only father's name given

[yaya2]

Hi Jan
Thank you.I had the baptism but of course there isn't a mention of the mother.
I found a marriage for John Massey to Mary Oakden at Etwall in 1807 and I thought for ages that they were the parents, especially as there are children and grandchildren with the second name Oakden but then I  found another family,father John Massey and mother Mary Oakden , all baptised in Edlaston with a William baptised in December 1809.
Unless Wliiam Allsopp died and the next son was named William without the Allsopp in the baptism.However I also think that the mother was Allsopp with an Oakden connection somewhere along the way.This is driving me nuts!!
Yaya

[Kayzee]

Hi Yaya,
            Let's not be driven nuts, so can we start at the beginning.  Have you looked for & traced John Godwin Massey with his parents in the earliest census. Is his mother there? What age & where was she born?
    This is not a brick wall, just a hurdle!
Kay
   

[yaya2]

Hi Kay
I have all the censuses from 1841 for W.A.Mwhen he lived in Chorlton Lancs. to 1881. He died in 1883 in Saughall Massie Cheshire.In all of them he gives his birthdate as 1809 which makes me think that the William Massey born to John and Mary in 1809 and he are one and the same.
 He was well educated being employed as a writing clerk in Uttoxeter in 1830 apearing in a Testamentory citation with jeremiiah Hurd, Hannah Hurd and Sarah Oakden (that name again)He then went on to become a book keeper (1843)and merchant (1846-1853) in Liverpool.In  1846 he was named in parliament as having contributed 2250 poundst for a railway subscription. In 1848 and again in 1853 he was before the bankruptcy court in Liverpool.thne in 1857 he married Ann Godwin in Bidston Cheshire and became my g.g. grandfather.
His first wife was Ann Wescoe born Chorlton Lancs.I dont't have a date but i believe it must have been 1841 or prior as she was listed as Ann massey in the 1841 census. she died c.1849
They had at least 2 children .Ann Mary baptised 24 November 1843 at Liverpool and Harriet OAKDEN born 27th july 1846
I  just found a marriage for John  Allsop  and Mary Oakden 28th August 1798 in Thorpe by Ashbourne .IGI batch number M058992.If John Allsop died and she then married John Massey this could be the connection!!
Here's hoping
 Yaya

[Kayzee]

Sounds like you are on a roll now -good luck!

[yaya2]

Thanks Kay
I'll let you know how I go
Yaya

[Grace Login]

 
I have Millwards from Grindon, Staffordshire in my family tree. The earliest eithteenth century Millward I have traced married a Cattel who was descended from Harriet Allsop b1797 in Lambeth. Have you any Cattels? My lot are grocers, tailors and bootmakers. By c19th living in London.