ALLSOPP - Researching Family Name

[mallow]

Hi Jan just Google,  Eaton and Allsopp Derbyshire and the address will come up at the end of the page

[janan]

Thanks Mallow
Jan

[Kayzee]

Mallow
    I think Lichfield have pre 1858 wills. Post 1858 Derbyshire ones are in Matlock. I don't know about post 1858 Staffordshire wills.
   If you are a member of the Allsop Group Mallow I take it you have the January 2008 journal listing all the Thomas Allsops from the Derbyshire & Staffordshire index. He doesn't appear to have married Sarah Dilks in Derbyshire or Staffordshire pre 1812, so did they marry elsewhere or did they never marry?
   There seems to be only one Thomas bapt 1791 son of John & Sarah of Hognaston. Have you tried to follow that up? Do any of the sons of your Thomas have any visitors or family members of other surnames staying with them on any of the census nights? Do the children have any middle names in later generations? I have the Milward surname being used as a middle name in 1880 which comes all the way down from a marriage in 1725!! My husband has a middle name which has come down from the early 1800s! His parents didn't even know where it came from just that it was a family name!!!
   I can highly recommend the use of early wills, I've recently discovered an extra generation after 5 years of hitting a brick wall - so never give up!
   
Janan
    Have you got the address for the Allsop Group now? It's well worth joining for £3. Unfortunately everything is done by snail mail but Winifred Waterall who runs it is a mine of information & so helpful. She publishes lots of interesting snippets in the Journal.
   I notice you say your Allsops are from Wirksworth. I have a few who have connections with Wirksworth although I assume if we were barking up the same tree we would have met on here before, but just incase I shall mention my Wirksworth ones.
Isaac Allsop & Elizabeth Debanks md 1683
Grace Allsop md Benjamin Gregory of Wirksworth in 1717
Millicent Allsop md Charles Spencer of Wirksworth in 1717.

There is a will at Lichfield for Thomas Allsop of Wirksworth proved 2 Jun 1635 that might be of interest to you. There are some earlier ones too. If you go there you get to read the originals! They are very delicate but it's just wonderful seeing the actual wills. When I retire I'm going to spend a month there -sadly I'm 47!













 
     
       

[janan]

Hi

I have Winifred's address so must join - sounds worth the £3.

Kayzee
I see your Isaac appears from no-where to marry in 1683 but the clutch of Isaac's following him are all mine (at least upto and including the 1813 marriage to Mary Otto) although none direct line. I would say there is a strong possibility that your Isaac is somehow connected to my lot. Mine are in Wirksworth from at least 1627, when James Allsop married Ellen Wall, until my great grandfather left for London in the mid 1880's.

Jan

[mallow]

Thank you Kayzee,my Thomas was born 1782 Barton under needwood the Son of Thomas Allsopp and Rachel Wood, whose marriage was in Hartshorne Derby in 1779 The marriage cert states they were both of the Parish.   Rachel was born in Etwall Derby in 1755 Father Charles Wood.
My Thomas went on to Marry Sarah Dilks in Birmingham Warwick in 1814 and moved to Lichfield where they both died. so where would I start for wills? I have not gotten back any further than Thomas in Barton Under needwood.

[Kayzee]

Hi Mallow,
            It seems you are lucky in that post 1858 Staffordshire wills are held at Lichfield also. Why not book a day there & look for any Charles Wood 1754 -1800 &  any Dilks for the relevant dates. If you don't find Charles look at any Wood of Etwall of the period & 20 years previous in the hope of finding Rachel's grandfather. The wills are indexed so it is quite easy & then you only need too buy relevant wills. I'm a little confused as to what you are hoping to find out about Thomas as you seem to know hi
s birth, death & marriage dates. Lichfield phone number is 01543 510720.

[Kayzee]

Hi Janan,
           My Isaac came from Matlock to marry In Wirksworth & although I have Isaac in 3 generations after him (again not in my direct line), I don't see a connection with yours. Mine were very good at using the same names from generation to generation apart from the name Dennis which only appears as the 1st Isaac's eldest son which makes me interested in Dennis of Bow Wood, Matlock who died 1690. I would be curious especially to know if you have Dennis in your tree at all.
     My first Isaac had a brother Josiah who was a partner in groves in the hundred of Wirksworth.
    Did you know that a James Allsop is mentioned at least from 1708 & possibly earlier in Heague Manor Court Rolls? I didn't note when he first appeared because I have no James' in my lot at all. I know it might seem a long way from Wirksworth but people of Bonsall & Ashover are listed there also, so distance doesn't seem to be important. There are also a couple of Isaac's mentioned but they are mine of Matlock & Ashover.

[janan]

Now that is interesting Kayzee because Dennis does appear - but like in your tree just the once whereas all other names are re-used over and over ( and cause much confusion ). Dennis was first born of my gg grandparents William and Hannah - he was born and died in 1845. Apart from an 1840 marriage of a Dennis (as far as I can tell he is unrelated to my lot)   to Matilda in 1840 and subsequent baptism of their child Dennis, the only other Dennis activity in Wirksworth is a 1642 baptism of a Dennis son of Dennis. Quite a puzzle.

Jan

[Kayzee]

Hi Jan,
        It's difficult to know whether this means anything or is just a very unusual coincidence. My Dennis was bapt 1685 Matlock son of Isaac of High Leas, Matlock who married 1683. This Isaac had a brother Josiah who married 1699. Isaac died 1716, Josiah died 1722.
   Sadly there is no will for Dennis of Bow Wood House Matlock who died  1690 just Administrations & when I looked at it a few years ago I found it difficult to read but thought his wife was Ann.It was basically an inventory with praisers Thomas Pole, Hitton Shaw, Marmaduke Abell. My ability to read this old writing has improved now so I will check it out if I get to Lichfield again. However he could be either a father or brother to the above Josiah & Isaac.
   Another Dennis left a will in 1628. He was of Bow Wood but appears to have rented High Leas. You can see why I think these two men are ancestors of my Isaac! This Dennis mentions his wife Margaret & son Dennis who is under 21. Witnesses to this will are Robert Hibberson, John & William Allyn & Thomas Spencer.
     This youngest Dennis who was under 21 in 1628 could be the one who wrote the will in 1690.
     There is also a Dennis of Bow Wood who died 1721, I have a transcript of his will which mentions wife Lydia, children John & Ann, Ann being under 21. Brother William. Witnesses Job Allsop & Henry Flint.
   
  I'm not sure if any of this is of use to you or even if you can follow my ramblings! I have found that witnesses are often related by marriage if not blood, so if any of these names mean anything to you - you know where I am! I have a few wills I transcribed in August that I have yet to try to tie in so I think I'll have a look at those now to see if I can manage to confuse myself just a little more!
   By the way does your Wirksworth group have a pedigree on Ince? If it did I could perhaps check it out to see if I can find a connection as I have a lot of connecting lines.
   Did you mention confusion & puzzle??? Sorry to cause more!
Kay