ALLSOPP - Researching Family Name

[janan]

I wouldn't rely on the 2 pp's - in theory that is how my lot spell it but in practice, all variations occur   Where are the family in 1841? And what places of birth do the children give on later censuses? As Thomas is a schoolmaster he might appear in a directory before 1841. Also consider Sarah might be a second marriage thus later than you are expecting.

Jan

[frances1966]

Agreed as on the Mackworth parish records my sherwin family are down as Sherwin, Sharwin and Sherrin . There was no fixed spelling at that time so it was often how the clark on the day spelt it.

Interesting that your Alsop(p) relative was a school master, I have a similar ancester John Sherwin who was born in  1773 and is a school master on the 1841 census in Litchurch Street in Derby.

I just wondered how schools worked , I know that there weren't any state schools at this time, would there have been one master that took in pupils? does anyone know if there are any info or registers of schools. (I have the Derby School register but he is not on there)

[mallow]

Thanks  for that Jan, yes you are right about spelling although my Grandfather insisted we spell it with two ps  in 1841 the family are at Rotten Row in Lichfield  "Sarah is a widow" that is how I am stuck on Thomas there were five sons Charles, Frederick, Alfred, Arthur, and Horace, two born Kings Bromley where Sarah was from ,two born Lichfield last child born "1827" so I am looking at a "14 year" search for  death of Thomas not easy when you dont live near record office

[mallow]

Hi Frances I put a post on the occupation section about Schoolmasters that far back and I got a nice reply with information, have a look

[frances1966]

Thanks Mallow, I found the post very interesting. I have the school register for derby free shcool if anyone needs a look up. Derby Free School was a very old school in Derby later a Grammer School and then a comprehensive. However my relative is not listed as a Master there.

I'm pretty sure there were also smaller schools run by one or two people (man and wife) this was before the education act so you would have had to pay.

[mallow]

Glad to be of some help Frances, I am wondering if Schoolmasters moved around, mine seems to have done so, perhaps on four year contracts, reason for this speculation is, two of my Schoolmasters children were born in Kings Bromley one in Oldbury and two in Lichfield with abt four year gaps between places. Maybe he is on your register, as I have not found a school for him yet
"worth a look "

[frances1966]

Hi Mallow let me know his name and roughly what dates, and I'll have a look.

[mallow]

Thank you very much for that offer Frances his name was Thomas Allsopp  dates would be from around "1818 to 1840" I have no death year for him his last child was born in 1827 and he was dead by Census of 1841, I hope this makes sense.

[frances1966]

Hi mallow
No luck I'm affraid I did a search with single and double p's (its a searchable pfd)  there seem to have been no allsopps involved with the school