William Ralph of Bilston

[Charlieralph]

Lets see if we can really get you into this research on line. It should save you a lot of time visiting the local records office/library
If you two are still having problems searching for parish records and what records are available on-line at LDS try this shortcut it will give you area ,parish and the available on line record dates.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle

They will also help in any research material required and get it for you to research at the local family research unit which in your case I think will be:-
Latter Day Saints
Linthouse Lane
Wednesfield
Wolverhampton
Wolverhampton, West Midlands, WV11, West Midlands County, England
Phone: 1902-724097
Hours: W-F 9.30am-4.30pm; W, F 7pm-9pm; LDS only T 9.30am-1pm, 7pm-8.30pm.
Other family centres are doted around the UK which you can check for on line

[Willow 4873]

Received a copy of James Mears death certificate today

He died 3.8.1887 of ' General debility and kidney disease' at home in Ablow Street. Harriet was present at the death and signed with a mark

Thanx for the link Charlie I will have a good look and see what I can find

Willow x

[Charlieralph]

Firstly, Appleton Cheshire. Just found out that registry office, Main Parish  for above was in Warrington Lancashire in those days so this may be the reason for Appleton Lancashire?

So welcome to the illiterate age when any missspelling of names is by others, so keep an eye open for Rolph, Relph and Ralphs and so on including your own family names you are researching.
Charlie

[RachelK]

Hi Willow & Charlie.

Hope everything's well with you two. Being bored I was just looking on IGI which I find confusing at the best of times, but I think I found 2 children of Thomas & Lettice Ralph that haven't been mentioned yet?

John Ralph christened 08 April 1832 Bilston
Mary Ralph christened 06 July 1834 Bilston

[Charlieralph]

Looks like two more need adding and they are keeping the same names  running in the family, Ive not done much research over the last month this may kick start it up again. This is the total out of that Lds batch:-
1. MARY RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 06 JUL 1834 Bilston, Stafford, England
 
 2. GEORGE RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 12 FEB 1832 Bilston, Stafford, England
 
 3. JOHN RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 08 APR 1832 Bilston, Stafford, England
 
 4. JOHN RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 10 AUG 1834 Bilston, Stafford, England
 
 5. THOMAS RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 04 JAN 1835 Bilston, Stafford, England
 
 6. SARAH ANNE RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 29 JAN 1832 Bilston, Stafford, England
 
 7. JANE RALPH - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 27 MAR 1831 Bilston, Stafford, England 

Thomas is my great great g/dad

Keep at it
Charlie

[RachelK]

Oh bleeeeeding hell! Willow's lost her tree, I'm just lost regardless, too many Ralphs and too many similar first names.

1st question for you Charlie, I'm totally oblivious to your line now. Is yours from William Ralph & Mary Fletcher?

Is that William, Thomas' brother? (as in the Thomas who married Lettice and is myself and Willow's line)

Or you say yours is Thomas son of William and Elizabeth, so this is a different William?! 

Willow my tree is all on GR so if you want to have a look feel free, I think it's right, mainly it's what we've discussed here and what Charlie's helped to find.

The 2 new siblings I found are another brother and sister of MATTHEW RALPH father of Thomas Ralph (Mary Ann Mears' hubby).

As far as I can tell from census, this John c.1832 married an Elizabeth and had the following...

John
Elizabeth
Letitia
Mary A
Clara

Their son John was the one who married Eliza Geary (someone we were confused over earlier) and they had the following children...

Mary Ann
Eliza
Matthew
Lettie Ruth
John

[Charlieralph]

OK heres my line. Confused with so many families with the same first names ?
Join the club, I'm getting lost with them all, I hope they didn't all go to family weddings can you imagine it :-
"Hi William hows you son William and I see your cousin William is hear talking to Thomas"
" O I, which Thomas is that then ?"

Any way my line and I will leave it with you to work out who fits in with who and when. Good luck, I'm off to bed with a headacre. LOL

Unproved link:-Francis Ralph unknown
                          Elizabeth Westwood  Unknown
Francis Ralph married Elizabeth Westwood 29th May 1769 at St Peters Wolverhampton ( offspring Christened as Ralph and  Ralphs)
Offspring :- William Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 29nd April 1780
                    Thomas Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 2nd April 1785
                    Sarah   Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston  21 Aug 1774 Buried St. Leonard’s Bilston 18th Nov            .                   1774
                    Nancy Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston  21 Aug   1774 Buried St. Leonard’s Bilston 19th Oct .                   .                   1776
                    Francis Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston  22nd Oct 1775 may have married Mary Jukes 1797?
                    Francis Ralph Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston  10th Oct 1782
                     
Proven links as follows
 William Ralph 1780
 Mary Fletcher   DOB c1780/Place unknown. Died of Cholera and Buried at Swan Bank Church Bilston29th Aug 1832 age 52years
   William Ralph married Mary Fletcher 12th July 1802 at St Peters Wolverhampton
                         
Offspring: - Elizabeth Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 7th Nov 1802 Buried St. Leonard’s Bilston 21 Oct 1804
                     John        Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 25th March 1805 Buried St. Leonard’s Bilston 31st Dec 1806
                     William   Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 25th Oct 1807
                     Mathew   Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 31st Dec 1809
                   Joseph     Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 20th Sept 1812
                     James      Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston   12th Aug 1816
                    Thomas    Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 18th Jan 1818
                     Mary                         St. Leonard’s Bilston     9th Sept 1821
                     Sarah Maria             St. Leonard’s Bilston      7th Aug 1825

William Ralph 1807 Bilston / Death unknown
Elizabeth Perry            Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston  21st July 1811. Death unknown
.Parents John & Elizabeth Perry
           William married Elizabeth Perry  17th Dec 1832 at St Peters Wolverhampton
Offspring: - Thomas c1834 Christened St. Leonard’s Bilston 4th Jan 1835
                    James    c1838 ?
                    Joseph   c1841 ?

Thomas Ralph c1834 Bilston/ Death unknown
Mary Gandy c1840     Christened unknown. Parents Charles &  Pheobe Gandy
Thomas moved to Wigan Lancashire between 1871/1876


Offspring: - Phebe c1860 Moxley Staffordshire
                    John Thomas c1863 Moxley Staffordshire
                Mary Ellen c1865 Moxley Staffordshire 26 June 1864 St Mary Bilston
                    Lucy Jane c1870 Moxley Staffordshire
                    Charles William c1877 Aspull Wigan Lancashire

AND FROM HEAR ON IN, EACH GENERATION (5)HAS BEEN CHRISTENED CHARLES

I think you line comes from Thomas 1785, but one thing for certain the Ralph family of Bilston must have been very close, in the 1841 census 3 families all lived next door to each other

[RachelK]

And finally it clicks! Wow, thankyou Charlie, I understand how it all fits together now. I edited my previous post because I got some details wrong in it!

I'll add this to my tree on GR, which you both have access to anyway. Just wanted to make sure it was all right before I did it, messed it up and had to do it again.

Lovely to have such a big family, but yes sometimes I wish they'd have been a bit more inventive in the naming department.

[mandychap]

I have John Ralph aged 44 in 1904 lived in green lanes Bilston Son of John ralph
he married Naomi Poulston nee Jenks aged 27 daughter of George Jenks