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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #9 on: Friday 24 August 12 13:43 BST (UK) »
   suzilad and allycat, 
                                   Just thought you might like to have a look at this census for 1881.     ...allycat, you said you didn't know where Mary Jane Coulter was living in 1881 when she would have been 6.        I will give you the same information as the census, but then I will have to make a few comments, because I believe they have made a mess of transcribing from the original census.
      1881 census, 77 Greenend, Old Monkland Eastern District, Lanarkshire.
Jessie Kor Coulter Head aged 38 born 1843 Irvine, Ayrshire.
James Kennedy  Son aged 15 b 1866 St Quivox, Ayrshire.    Coal Miner.
Jane Kennedy [Jane Coulter]    Dau aged 73 b 1808 at Tarbolton, Ayrshire.
Jessie Kennedy  Daughter aged 9 b 1872 Irvine, Ayrshire.   Scholar.
Mary Coulter Daughter aged 6 b 1875 Glasgow.   Scholar.
Martha Coulter  Daughter aged 4 b 1877 Kamannan, Stirlingshire.
Robert Coulter  Son aged 2 b 1879 Old Monklands, Lanarkshire.
William Barclay  Boarder.  aged 38  b 1843  Ireland.   Coal Miner.

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      I am from Glasgow, so you may not know the area, so I will try to clarify a few things.

      Wherever it says Monklands (either Old Monklands or whatever), this is old fashioned.     It is Lanarkshire, just east of Glasgow they are talking about.

       The address on the census is 77 Greenend, which in this case I believe is Greenend in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire (or Old Monklands).

        First name on census is Jessie Kor Coulter....     I think the Kor must be short for a longer name but I don't know what the full name might be.    Also, after every single name on this census, they have written "mother of Jessie Kor Coulter."

        But that is wrong - because Jane Kennedy is aged 73 and born in 1808.
...I believe all the others listed are Jessie Kor Coulter's children but not Jane.

        Another puzzle: some of Jessie children have the surname Coulter and some Kennedy.     

        And Jane Kennedy has [Jane Coulter] just after her name.

        Mary Coulter appears to have been born in Glasgow, and that is fine, but Martha is born in Kamannan, Stirlingshire.       That is wrong.      I believe they mean Slamannan, Stirlingshire - which is near Falkirk and Camelon.
...allycat, you say that on Jane Coulter's death certificate, her place of marriage is given as being Camelon.       That is in Falkirk, and Slamannan is just south of these two places.

       Hope you can figure it out.      But Jessie Coulter is head of the house, and they are all her children - except for Jane Kennedy, who, going by her birth date must surely be her mother.    Hope I have the right family here.        Do you recognise the names of any of the children?      If you do, then I would think that is proof enough that it is the right family.
                                                              Brian, Glasgow.

 

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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #10 on: Friday 24 August 12 14:15 BST (UK) »
Census information Crown copyright , All Census information from transcriptions - check original records , Familysearch/IGI is a finding tool only - check original records

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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #11 on: Friday 24 August 12 23:06 BST (UK) »
ev,
       That is first class.      All your information is right.        It's good stuff.     I found a much better census showing the Jane Kennedy details as you have given them: she is aged 13 on it, born 1868, just as you said..        And Jessie's maiden name was Stevenson - great!

I can now see through the puzzles of the 1881 census.    ...I found info that William Kennedy married Jessie Stevenson on 24th Dec 1863 at Irvine.       So the first children born were Kennedy.     James Kennedy born 1866 at St Quivox, Ayrshire....Jane Kennedy born 1868 at Tarbolton...and then Jessie Kennedy born 1872 Irvine.

       Now, either William Kennedy must have died or there was a divorce, because Jessie Kennedy married Robert John Coulter in 1873 at Irvine, Ayrshire    Certificate no: 595/00 0025.

       And now the next children born are Coulter.     Mary Coulter born 1875 Glasgow....Martha Coulter born 1877 Slamannan, Stirlingshire.....and Robert Coulter born 1879 Old Monkland, Lanarkshire.      [Obviously, being the first son born to the Robert John Coulter-Jessie Kennedy marriage, Robert has named it after himself.]

       suzilad and allycat, I think that part of the puzzle is solved!       Phew - that was tough.
Thanks again ev!

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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 25 August 12 11:05 BST (UK) »
Can't find a connection to your Robert Coulter but did find the following on family search hope it helps you.

Jessie Stevenson b c1843  Irvine Ayrshire daughter of David Stevenson and Janet Strachan
she died 12 March 1922
she was married 3 times  first to William Kennedy 20 Nov 1863 Bartonholm Free Church of Scotland Irvine Ayrshire and had  three children
Jessie b 16 May 1870 Elba St. St Quinox, Jane Aird b 13 June 1867 Tarbolton and James 1 June 1865 St. Quinox all Ayrshire
she then married Robert Coulter  31 March 1873 Irvine Dist Free Church Ayrshire and had the following children
Mary c 1875 Martha c 1877 and Robert.
all as stated in Dodsie post
her next marriage was to William Barclay  2o Nov 1881  St Marys RC Church Whifflets  Old Monklands Coatbridge
there is only one child  from this marriage  Mary Ann b 1891 New Monklands.
I suspect there might be more children .

This was from a submitted tree but you can always confirm details on SP if you want or maybe some one can look them up in 1891 census for you

Regards,
suzilad


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« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 30 April 13 10:14 BST (UK) »
Jessie Stevenson/Kennedy was robert second wife.He married martha Wilson in Rutherglen ~1871 and she died in 1873(childbirth ?) but 2 months later married jessie.Reminds me of Blantyre colliery disaster when there were many widows and too few houses for incomers.
jessie had 10 children,3 died died in childhood-jessie,1871 and two in the 1880s to her third husband.jessie died in Glenochil,falkirk.Her youngest daughter,maryAnn,moved to New Mexico after her death to join her husband ,William F.Lyon whom she married in 1917(?).She had 3 children born between 1924 and 1929.
I have put a photo of jessie and her grandson on the stirlingshire forum;taken 1890.
allyct has some family photos on her website that I sent.

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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 12 May 13 13:47 BST (UK) »
Photo of the Coulter sisters(not sure of date).Mary married Andrew Wadie and martha married W.Yeats(or Yates).

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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 July 13 06:45 BST (UK) »
What a lovely photograph.  Thank you so much.
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday 11 February 16 20:19 GMT (UK) »
Though this post is older, l just came across it and decided to respond. My husband's grandmother, Mary Coulter Underwood (nee Donaldson),  was born 1895 at Jawcraig, parish of Falkirk, County of Stirling. Later census shows family at Slammanan and she has various siblings including a sister Martha.
Parents were Jane Aird Kennedy and Robert Burnet Donaldson.
M. Gd-parents Jessie Stevenson and William Kennedy
P. Gd-parents Jane Burnet and John Donaldson
Ayrshire - Aird, Kennedy, Stevenson
Bellshill - Allan, Haney
Clydebank - Henderson, Leckie, White
Croydon Surrey - Ridley, Baxter, Giles, Histed, Spencer
Edinburgh - Allan, Mathew, Swanson, Rough/Ruff
Glasgow - Leckie, McLaughlin, Wilson
Motherwell - Underwood
Paisley - Docherty, Haney/Heaney
Prestonpans/Tranent - Donaldson
Rutland - Eglesfield, Swann
Shropshire - Shepherd, Tonks, Underwood
Ireland - Allan, Docherty, Heaney

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Re: 1881 Census Lookup pls. COULTER family
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 11 February 16 22:57 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sarah.
Abrams, Amor, Attwood, Bancroft, Bragier, Brennan, Bryant, Buchan, Cantwell, Cruse, Commins, Cullum, Debus, Denner, Dinner, DuCroix, Flanze, Gilkes, Greaves, Guthiel, Hansford, Hayes, Hokaanga, Homewood, Hoy, Inns, Jahn, King, Knee, Marriner, May, McCarron, McCavel, McCrohon, McFarlane, Merry, Milne, Montgomery, Most, Mott, Orth, Parker, Pine, Roads, Rueping, Sear, Siegner, Stanaway, Voss, Weber, Wheeler, Whitehall, Woodcock