John jnr was admitted to the Guild & got his City freedom in 1778, apprenticed to his father John in 1771.
The Coopers Guild A-Z list of Freemen 1723-1850 showed 2 John Sampson's - father & son, the older John admitted to the Guild in Jul 1752 & his London freedom the same year, his masters being Robert Monk & Robert Murden. The Coopers Hall minute books details his admission, payment and apprenticeship details. Masters Rob Monk, Wm Holmes, father Joseph, coachman, East Smithfields, 7 yrs
Another set of minute books details payments to the guild, masters name, abode & amount paid
Name - Master's name - Abode - Date - Payment
John Sampson - Wm Scullard - Goswell St - 1752/53
John Sampson - Robt Monk - St Thomas Apostle - 1757/58 - 0-8-4
John Sampson - Robt Monk - St Thomas Apostle- 1762/63 0-18-4
John Sampson - Robt Monk - Hoxton Middx - 1769/70 - 0-13-4
Poor rates from St Thomas Apostle confirm payments to John between 1754-1758 and baptism records confirm the addresses.
I was quite happy with all this but I couldn't understand why, if the apprenticeship ended in 1752, that the indenture date I had from online indexes started in 1743 and not 1745. On my next trip to the LMA, I got a copy of the indenture. John snr was apprenticed to Robert Monk in 1743 but his father was John, a citizen & clothworker of London (decd). On the reverse side says that John was turned over to Robert Murden in 1748 by his former master Robert Monk.
I'm at a loss to explain the conflicting info about the father. Am I dealing with two people here & there is a missing indenture, or is there another explanation. The only one I can think of is that as John the clothworker died in 1739, then Joseph must be a guardian or relative for John snr for administration purposes.
I've recently looked into the clothworker John, he was apprenticed to Thomas Fairchild (author of The City Gardner), Gardner, Citizen & Clothworker from Hoxton in 1715. Fairchild died in 1729 & bequeathed £5 'to his late servant John Sampson'. (London Freedom entry for John Sampson in 1733, Clothworker)
John Sampson's will of 1739 gives his occupation as Gardner of Hoxton, he names his four (surviving) children as John, Mary, Elizabeth & Thomas. Seven children were born at Hoxton between 1731-1738 except John, there is no baptism I can see (should be around 1729/30) and I've checked other areas.
As far as Joseph in East Smithfield goes, I looked into 2 familes but both raised more questions. One in St Botolph Aldgate had 3 children in East Smithfield , John baptised in 1737 would that be too young for an apprenticeship in 1743?
Another Joseph had a John baptised in 1724 in St Mary Whitechapel, born at Blue Anchor Yard just off Rosemary Lane. Joseph died 1738.
I'm hoping to get to London in May but thoughts from anyone would be appreciated.
Peter
