1841 census siblings to find

[Newt]

Can I ask some one to attempt this one please (I know you all have different search methods and software).  I am looking for a family in the 1841 census.  i have 2 or 3 people who should be in the same household but still can't find them.  details are:

Sarah Ann Turner b.1829 (Picaddilly)
Richard Turner b.1830 (Fulham)
John Turner b.1840 (Fulham)

Richard and John both born in Fulham so maybe same area by census time in 1841.

I will be impressed  if anyone can find this.

Regards, Neal

[Meliora]

Hello, Neal,

You will most likely think this a bit wide of the mark for the Turner children you are looking for, ages & distict do not tally but it is the only one I found with children with all three of your names together.

1841 censu
HO107/484 book 3  folio 30
Wickhurst,  Leigh, Kent.

William Turner   age 35  Ag Lab  born in county Y
Mary  age 30   b in c Y
Richard   age 12       Y
Sarah  age   10        Y
Mary   age  8            Y
William   age 6          Y
John    age 4             Y
Thomas  age 2          Y
Susan  age 4            Y

Meliora

[Newt]

Thanks Meliora,

I think you may be right...it is wide of the mark, but thanks for looking.

I have some updated info from Richard's marriage certificate of 1872.

His father was also Richard, so the census for 1841 should show a Richard as head and a Richard as 12 year old.  However, Richard senior was a coachman so may not have been in the house on the night of the census!

So I am looking for...
Richard (head)
Sarah Ann (12)
Richard (11) in Middlesex or Surrey.

Methinks this is a tough one 

Regards, Neal

[Bryant]

Hello Neal

Info required...........Turner's can be difficult people to trace, but can be made a lot easier with the right info!

who is his mother?

Richard when he married in 1872.........you do have him prior to the marriage in the census of 1871 and back to 1851 dont you?

if so..........please reveal him and those with him and their ages, where born, occupations........ in the 1851/61 census

if not.......

who are the witnesses at the marriage?
who did he marry? what was her father's name and occupation?
where did he marry?
how do you know of siblings? why did you drop John b.1840 on your last reply?

Regards
Bryant

[Newt]

Hi Bryant,

This is my difficulty, as yet I do not know his mother (although i have somone in London looking for his baptism in 1830).  Also, because he and his father were coachmen (on the road?) or a groom (servant at another premises) I have yet to locate any of the 2 Richards (Senior,Junior) at the same address as their family at any census.

So, what do I have?...(of key note)

Richard (Junior) marriage 1852 to Sarah Ann Huggett Aug 1852 at parish church Kennington.  They were living in St Marks Road (which is the parish church).  Interestingly a witness was Sarah Ann Turner who I am presuming to be his sister.  Her father Stephen Hiuggett, farmer.

His sister was also informant for his death in 1873, she being married and named as S.A.Toll.  he died at 19 Windmill St, Brixton and she was living at 7 Brandon Rd Brixton Hill.

In the 1871 census Richard Turner was a groom at The Royal Mews Buckingham Palace whilst his family were at St Mary, Lambeth, Stockwell.  All children there.  The 1861 census is missing for where they lived and none were born for 1851 census.

Gotta take a breath now.  I think I may be confusing everyone!

All I can presume and look for is 1841 census...
Richard Turner (senior) @40 years as a guess and probably working as a coachman - so may be at different address
Mother - not known.
Sarah Ann @12 years born Picaddily
Richard Turner (junior) @11 years
There may be a John Turner aged 1 (who appeared with Sarah Ann (Toll) on 1871 census as lodger - maybe brother?).

To further the clues/intrigue, Richard Turner (junior) appeared in 1851 census in Morden Lane at 21 years but with another elder Turner (Thomas aged 45) who was working as servant coachman (maybe uncle?).  He was born West Grinstead and Richard in Fulham.

Interestingly, Thomas was a double entry and appears twice -in the 1851 census just up the road with his family.  Ans Richards future wife was 10 or so doors down in Morden lane as a servant.

Confused?

Anyway, back to the point.  I want to find either of the Richard Turners or Sarah Ann Turner (sister) and their mother in 1841 census.

If you are reading this sentence, thanks for listening!

regards, Neal

[Bryant]

Neal

The only one so far..............
1841
HORNSEY, MIDDLESEX
RICHARD TURNER  60  M.S   NO
LUCY          "          50           NO
LOUISA      "           17          YES
RICHARD    "           12          YES
-----------------------
* M.S (male servant could well be a coachman!)

Their is also a Richard Turner aged 10 in the HIGH STREET, ST MARYLEBONE but unfortunately the image wont come up for me! so get someone to have a look at him...........just in case

Bryant

[Newt]

Hi Bryant and all,

Your results were interesting but now I have yet more info (from parish records). Details are:

Richard Turner (Head) - Groom
Sarah Turner (Wife)
Richard Turner (Son) b1829 Fulham
Jane Turner (Daug) b1833 Fulham
Hannah Turner (Daug) b1836 Fulham

There may be other family members yet to be discovered.

Can anyone find any of these in 1841 or 1851 census?...

p.s. There was also another family in Fulham who may be linked:
Robert Turner (Head) - Groom
Sarah Turner (Wife)
William Turner (Son) 1831 Fulham
Mary Ann Turner (Daug) 1834 Fulham
Finding these may help lead me to them?

Regards and thanks,

Neal