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Re: Deciphering Certificate
« Reply #9 on: Friday 26 May 06 17:20 BST (UK) »
I've been concentrating on the word written above Bachelor.
Could it be Yeoman ?
It doesn't look as if it's crossed out  ??? (Would it not have been initialed).The writing looks somehow different to the rest of the script. .I was going to say written with more care  ::) but it looks as if he a funeral to attend after the event. ;D
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« Reply #10 on: Friday 26 May 06 17:33 BST (UK) »
It looks much more like a word crossed out. Anyway I doubt there were grades or types of bachelor.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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« Reply #11 on: Friday 26 May 06 18:12 BST (UK) »
Just has a quick Google and found 2 references to Yeoman Bachelors

http://www.bapchild.info/pages/page.asp?i_PageID=571&i_ToolbarID=21822 Canterbury Marriage Licences, 1810-1837 Volume 35 Folio 164
Robert Lake of Bapchild Yeoman Bachelor & Mercy Lake of the same Spinster. 06 Feb 1822.

http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonMisc/CornwallStrays2.html

Linkinhorne - 4 Jan 1830
John Jeffery Yeoman Bachelor & Ann Jeffery of Black Torrington in Co Devon

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« Reply #12 on: Saturday 27 May 06 06:02 BST (UK) »
Surely 'Yeoman' in those entries is not a descriptor of 'Bachelor'
but rather the occupation of the groom (i.e. Yeoman) followed
by his marital status (i.e. Bachelor) - noting the usual lack of puctuation.

The word on the marriage certificate here looks to me more as
though it has been scored through.  I guess the obvious thing is
that the occupation was written in the marital condition column in error
and then scored through and the marital condition entered instead.
Admittedly the first letter doesn't look like the 'F' in Fireman - but there
seems little consistency in the writing throughout.

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« Reply #13 on: Saturday 27 May 06 09:35 BST (UK) »
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The word on the marriage certificate here looks to me more as
though it has been scored through.  I guess the obvious thing is
that the occupation was written in the marital condition column in error
and then scored through and the marital condition entered instead.
Admittedly the first letter doesn't look like the 'F' in Fireman - but there
seems little consistency in the writing throughout.
I did take that view but, no way could I see the word Fire man,as written in the occupation column;even crossed through.
He may just have been a chap who liked uniforms  ::)

Found this reference on Chambers Dictionary
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yeoman noun (yeomen) 1 historical a farmer who owned and worked his own land, often serving as a foot-soldier when required. 2 military a member of the yeomanry (sense 2).
ETYMOLOGY: 14c as yoman; perhaps from earlier yongman young man.

yeomanry noun (yeomanries) 1 historical the class of land-owning farmers. 2 a volunteer cavalry force formed in the 18c, now mechanized and forming part of the Territorial Army.
So perhaps he was in the T.A. of its day ???
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« Reply #14 on: Saturday 27 May 06 10:50 BST (UK) »
Sorry to contradict much of this interesting speculation but that column was to indicate only the marital status of the person - nothing to do with occupation. The number of such statuses was few - Bachelor, Spinster, Widower, Widow.
Anything else written in that space was erroneous. It is doubtful that there is any useful information to be gained by speculating on what error was made.
Apart from that if he was a Fireman he certainly was not a Yeoman in the sense of being a landowner and if he was a member of a Yeomanry Militia that had nothing to do with his occupation which was simply the way in which he made a living.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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« Reply #15 on: Saturday 27 May 06 10:58 BST (UK) »
Lord Hack, you've lost me.

You are surely not suggesting that someone recording marriage details was incapable of getting things out of kilter!  That is, of starting (erroneously) to write the occupation in the marital condition column!  Then, realizing his error, scoring through what he had written and continuing accurately!

Fireman, of course, could have been an occupation in many places of work.  It might have been a firefighter but more likely to have been a person in charge of a furnace - in a train, a ship, or almost anywhere.

As for the writing - this chap wrote everything almost any which way!

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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 27 May 06 12:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

So many of you have helped me so much, THANK YOU!!

I think the street is Exeter Place I think this runs off of Derwent street, what do you think?

I went to the Tunaley web site and found loads of details about my Tunaley ancestors. Mr Tunaley is related to me .........Poor Guy!

Again thank you all   BRILLIANT!

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« Reply #17 on: Saturday 27 May 06 12:35 BST (UK) »
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I went to the Tunaley web site and found loads of details about my Tunaley ancestors. Mr Tunaley is related to me .........Poor Guy!
Ah, but the crucial question is.
WAS HE A YEOMAN  ??? ;D
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