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THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« on: Thursday 25 May 06 17:23 BST (UK) »
Hi , I am trying to find Thomas Matthias and his wife Ann and family.
Thomas Matthias was born in Brymbo 1802. his wife Ann was born about 1807 in Trythue.Flintshire. their children.
Joseph ,Jonathon,Hannah,Thomas, andEdward. were all born in Broughton.
they were living in Broughton,district of Brymbo in 1851.
would dearly like to find some of them in 1861 if that is possible.
would appreciate it if someone with access to 1871 could possibly have a look in the 1861 census to see if they are there.
many thanks. JUNE.


Moderator Comment: If anybody can help, then please check out the thread on the Staffordshire Board as well, as it's also about a MATTHIAS family, so you may be able to avoid duplication of efforts. Thanks :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,158741.0.html

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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 May 06 18:04 BST (UK) »
Hi June

I cannot find the parents in 1861 or onwards. Do you want details of any of the children?
As I could not see them in later censuses I had a quick look at the deaths and there is a Thomas in 1855 in the Wrexham area and another in 1860. Also a Hannah death in 1859.
Incidentally Trythue will be Tryddyn.
To confuse more there is an Ann born 1809 living in Broughton but with husband David and she is said to be born in Wrexham.
Also parts of the 1861 are missing.

Let me know if I can look up anything else but it may be next week as I am away tomorrow.

Peter
Jones, Edwards, Davies, Owen, Benjamin , Hughes , Roberts,Thomas,Williams, Wynne , Griffiths, Howells, Rowlands etc etc
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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 September 11 00:44 BST (UK) »
I replied on another one of your posts. My gr/gr grandfather is a Joseph Dodd of Broughton, born in 1836, died 1910.
The information I have shows his wife as being Joanna Dodd, nee Dodd. I'm not sure if her maiden name is correct.
Any ideas?
George/Griffiths from Broughton area

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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 16 September 11 15:49 BST (UK) »
There is a possible marriage in 1865 to a Johanna Williams.  Might be them.
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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 16 September 11 16:37 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your reply Mike. Somebody has also confirmed this on another post  :)
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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 19 September 11 00:16 BST (UK) »
I know this is quite late in coming, but I just joined Roots Chat.  I am researching an ancestor named Charlotte George, whose birthplace was Tryddyn, Flintshire, Wales.  She emigrated to the U.S. aboard the William Stetson in 1855, leaving from Liverpool and landing at Castle Garden, NY.  She is listed next to a family named Matthias, and in fact, on the Castle Garden website, is incorrectly listed by the name Charlotte Matthias, so I get the impression they may have been traveling as a group.  For whatever reason, on the ship's passenger list, her name is sandwiched between the members of the Matthias family.  I am wondering if they were friends or neighbors and thus traveling together.  The Matthias family members include: Thomas, age 54, collier; Ann, 48, wife; Joseph, 24, collier; Hannah, 16, spinster; Thomas, 13, collier; and Edward, age 9.  Their address is difficult to read but looks like "Lewis Davies...Jonathan Ellis...Brymbo...Wrecsam Denbigshire."  My ancestor, Charlotte, was a convert to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS/Mormon), as were most others on board the William Stetson.  Not sure if this is the family you're looking for, but it seems to line up pretty closely with what information you gave in your post.  In that case, you'd be unlikely to find them in the 1861 Wales census or later since it appears they left for America.

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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 19 September 11 14:39 BST (UK) »
Hi mldy

Many, many thanks for this information.

Thomas Matthias was my 4 x great grandfather, I being descended from his second son Jonathan. I've been searching for this family after their appearance on the 1851 census for a number of years now, without any success what so ever. I have tried every variant of the surname Matthias in the death indexes and censuses including Mathias, Matthews etc, etc.

How did you come by this information, I would dearly love to see an image of the actual passenger list, is it available on A*******? I feel sure that this has to be my Matthias Family given the combination of Christian names and ages that fit exactly.

Thank you so much for sharing this information, you've certainly given me a new avenue of research to follow up!

Kindest Regards ~ Rowlandson





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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 19 September 11 19:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Mldy

I have found two similar named families. Listed on 1851 census as living in Broughton is Thomas Matthias, 49; Ann Matthias, 44; Children Joseph. 19; Jonathan, 16; Hannah, 18; Thomas, 9; Edward, 5.

Think this must be the family you are speaking of, although curious as to why Jonathan is missing off the voyage to the USA.

Also on the 1851 census living in Brymbo (both villages close to each other) is Thomas Matthias, 62; Ann Matthias, 60; Children Ellen, 27; Thomas, 23; Edward, 1.
Thomas' father is John Matthias and Mother is Catherine Matthias (nee Evans).

I think this clan is from my family tree.

Be interested if anyone could confirm this?
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Re: THOMAS MATTHIAS of BRYMBO.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 19 September 11 19:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Jeze,

Whilst I can't confirm if this second family is yours, I do know where Jonathan Matthias (Son of the first family) was at the time of the 1861 census. He can be found living with his future wife, Emma Kynaston Nee Evans at Tryddyn, Flintshire RG9/4278, Folio 67 Page 32.

The Thomas Matthias that went to the USA was the son of a Thomas Matthias, accordding to his marriage certificate.

Regards - Rowlandson