Gloucester Record Office look up please

[willowwah]

Angela

I would appreciate any help with the Stroud part of the family if you  are able to help, I seem to be at a brickwall here

I'm in Lincolnshire

The family I've always known of were in the Forest of Dean which is where my own father was born and bred, now I am further back they are from Stroud, an area I know nothing of.

I did pass thru in earlier this year and tried to find Gaineys Well and failed but I know thats a place on a certificate.

I know Benjamin married Ann Perryn Aldridge 1813

My branch is from their son also called Benjamin born abt 1821

I have a death cert for a Benjamin IRELAND died 21st Feb 1838, Horsley, Male age unknown,  pauper, cause of death is decline, informant is the Master of the Workhouse, present at death.
{ I can't confirm if this is my Benjamin }

I would appreciate any help to help me find out about Benjamin who married Ann and if possible help me find out who or where he came from

[AngelaR]

Hi willowwah

I should be able to get to the library early next week, if not before. I think it might be helpful to check Benjamin and Ann's childrens' baptisms in case there's any occupation given for Benjamin. I'll also have a look at possible baptisms for him, although it looks likely to me that he could have come from Horsley and I don't have easy access to records from there 

On the other hand, it could just be that  Benjamin merely spent a lot of time in the House of Correction there (presumably that's where he was fetched from in the document Geoff looked up for you, although I can't find the reference in the Quarter Session summary).

If Benjamin had established residence in Stroud, I would have expected him to end up in the Workhouse there, so that's a bit of a puzzle.

I'll keep you posted as to what I find....

Best wishes


Angela

I've never heard of Gainey's Well - do you know roughly where it was?

[willowwah]

http://www2.newsquest.co.uk/stroud/features/FEATURES97.html

heres a map itsnear the Leazes

http://www.latoot.co.uk/gaineyswell.gif

I'll check the certificates when I get back home

[AngelaR]

Fancy that - just shows I should read the local papers more carefully 

I've found it on my Ordnance Survey map now - may go for a walk later and have a look! How did it end up on a certificate? Were your ancestors actually living there?

Angela

[willowwah]

I've rung home for the details

The certificate with the Gaineys Well entry is

When and Where born
28th Sept 1850
Gaineys Well Stroud

Name
Emily Jane

Sex
Girl

Name of Father
John Ireland

Name of mother
Jane Ireland formerly Bennnett

Occupation of Father
Labourer

Signature of informant
X the Mark of Jane Ireland, Mother, Gaineys Well, Stroud

Date of registration
14th Oct 1850

Signature of Registrar
looks like John Selby Howell? Registrar

John was Benjamins son

[AngelaR]

What an amazing place to be born! I'll check the whereabouts with my neighbours and have a look.....

[AngelaR]

Hi there willowwah

I've been to the library today and had a look round for your Ireland family. Unfortunately, I got turfed out at closing time before I'd found all I wanted, but this is what I've got so far -

Baptisms at St Lawrence Church Stroud -
24 July 1814 - Mary dau of Benjamin & Anne Ireland - residence, Silver Street Stroud - occupation Sawyer
16 Feb 1817 - Joseph son of Benjamin & Anne Ireland - residence, Stroud's Hill - occupation Sawyer
24 Jan 1819 - Benjamin son of Benjamin & Anne Ireland - residence, Stroud's Hill- occupation Sawyer
23 Aug 1824 - John illegitimate son of Ann Ireland - child born in the parish of Bisley - Widow

So it looks like the death you found for a Benjamin isn't the right one - he must have died over 9 months before John's birth (presumably....)

I had a look for the burial record for Benjamin and was very frustrated to find a gap in the records between 1812 and 1840. I presume that they're in the main record office but it's a bit puzzling to find a gap in the local records like that  If we could find a burial record, it might give an age and we'd have more of a chance of finding a baptism for Benjamin. Unfortunately I ran out of time to check (it's a big parish....)

It might be interesting to note that there were no other Irelands having babies baptised at that period. The first other ones to appear were Joseph and Rosanna who had a baby Mary Ann baptised on Jun 14 1829 (bit early to be Joseph son of Benjamin!)

I checked between 1826 and 1830 for Caroline and didn't find her but then the librarians were hovering! I'll check again, and also for Emma, when I next go if no-one finds anything first.

Hope this helps a bit

Best wishes

Angela

[Geoff E]

Re Gainey's Well

It doesn't appear on the 1887 OS Map ... by that time it was the site of the Water Works.

www.oldmaps.co.uk

Search for Stroud
Click on the Right arrow 3 times
Click on "Enlarged View" below the map.

[willowwah]

Angela

thank you so much for this !

The Mary I'd never heard of ..   so thats one to add

Goeff E  had the entry below
 A William IRELAND was buried 30 May 1838 at Stroud age 17 - the IGI has him as a son of Ben and Ann (again a submitted entry though).

did you see any sign of him? as I'd never heard of a William before either.

Interesting to see that John wasn't actually an Ireland through birth, as for Caroline and Emma the plot thickens.

Angela can you think of any ideas of how I find information on Benjamin, any other avenues I can persue.?

We decend from Benjamin's son Benjamin, thanks for  the look ups on baptisms it alters a few dates,