Gloucester Record Office look up please

[willowwah]

I was searching the national archives and type in Benjamin Ireland
and got the following;

To find out more about the archives described below, contact Gloucestershire Record Office

Bisley: Anglican Parish

Catalogue Ref. P47
Creator(s):
Church of England, Bisley Parish, Gloucestershire


OVERSEERS OF THE POOR

   Miscellaneous overseers' records

      FILE - Miscellaneous memoranda, documents and correspondence 1711-1830, undated - ref.  P47 OV 7/4  - date: 1711-1830
         [from Scope and Content] Including marriage extract of Thomas Davis and Ann Cook (West Dean, Wilts 1789); warrant for arrest of John Hazle as idle and disorderly 1811; papers concerning Thomas Holloway, a Chelsea out-pensioner 1803, 1813; papers concerning Zachariah Davis, a lunatic 1814-1816; statement by Benjamin Ireland about his marriage at Stroud when drunk 1814; letter from Cheltenham guardian for relief for a child 'almost naked' 1816; justice's order for relief of a pauper family 1817, and pass for a family removed from Staffordshire 1817; agreement for mortgage of a pauper's loom 1820; draft rules for workhouse master; letter about relief to a Bisley family in Holkham (Norfolk) 1821; marriage certificate (1802) of John Richins and Sarah Whiting 1830

I have a Benjamin Ireland who married Ann Perryn Aldridgeabt 1814 and wondered if anyone could look up this at the record office and see if there are any further details

This Benjamin is the furthest I can get back in my tree and any extra info would be appreciated


Denise

[Geoff E]

From the IGI

Benjamin IRELAND married Ann Perrin ALDRIDGE at Painswick 30 Nov 1813 (submitted entry)

[willowwah]

Thanks Geoff

I have as far as the date of the wedding of Benjamin and Ann, but thats as far as I can get.  I can't find his parents or even any siblings.  He is my brickwall

I'm wondering if the statement about being drunk and wedding might just reveal something that could help unlock this

[Geoff E]

I was intrigued by the story so popped into Gloucester to see the document - I'm glad I did!

Firstly, confirmation of the fact that the IGI should be treated with caution - the marriage took place at Stroud, not Painswick.

Stroud St Lawrence, 30 Nov 1813
Benjamin Ireland of this parish, batchelor to
Anne Perryn-Aldridge of this parish spinster
By Banns with consent of all parties
Conducted by John Williams MA Off Mins
+ Benjamin Ireland (his mark)
+ Anne Perryn-Aldridge (her mark)
In the presence of
Richd Smith
Stepn Howell

Now the document … a single sheet of paper with no indication to whom it was addressed.

September 5th 1814
Benjamin Ireland in my presence & in the hearing of Mr Thomas Shill and Jn Kean? disclosed he never consented to marry his present wife, then by an order of J ______ Esq he was fetched to Stroud from the prison at Horsley abt 3 weeks and 4 days before last Xmas by Richard Smith Constable, who took Ireland in to the Boat? Public House & then they drank a great deal of beer, then Smith said he was in a great hurry and must be in Stroud by 12 o’ clock.  Smith did not hear Ireland but Ireland did not think he was at liberty to leave Smith there going along the road.  At Woodchester the stage coach overtook them.  Smith asked the Coachman to give them a lift which Coachman did and put them down with the other passengers at the George Inn at Stroud.  Ireland paid the fare.  Ireland then went into George Minotts a Public House.  He was very drunk but remembers that Smith came to him and said he wanted Ireland to go with him, at this time no mention was made or had been made of marriage but Ireland quite drunk and insensibly followed Smith who took him to Stroud Church and there was (father?) in Church and he was married by Rev Jno Williams to his present wife.  Ireland says it was against his Consent both then as well as at all other times to marry Mistress Aldridge.
Thos Shill
+ the mark of Benj Ireland

[willowwah]

Thank you so much for that...

Very intriging

must have consumated the marriage, if I am on the right track, there was John b abt 1817, Joseph abt 1818, Benjamin abt 1821, Caroline abt 1829, Emma abt 1838

shame that it doesnt give any family names as witnesses as I'm finding it impossible to find anyone prior to Benjamin senior


We think this is son John

1843 IRELAND John U Stroud Q/GC5/7   plasterer Gaol

Entry 9 -

John IRELAND -
aged 20 -
Brown hair, grey eyes, fair complexion, large scar on the left side of the nose, ?thin -
plasterer -
118 lb -
5 feet 9 1/2 inches -
Stroud -
(date of admission) 2 Aug 1843 -

Charged on the oath of Sophia ALDRIDGE with feloniously stealing at Stroud on 12 day of July eight sovereigns and thirteen shillings from the dwelling house of the said Sophia ALDRIDGE.

Committed by H BURGH Esq

Michaelmas Sessions Oct 17 1843

Not Guilty

Discharged 21 Oct 1843

(Conduct while in prison) Orderly


Thank you for taking time to help

[Geoff E]

The 1841 census has

Leazes, Stroud
Ann IRELAND 50
Joseph 25 Plasterer
Benjamin 20 Lab
John 16 Lab
Caroline 12
Emma 3

suggesting there was more than one John perhaps?  Presumably Ben died in Q1 1838 - there is no mention of him on the NBI2.

A William IRELAND was buried 30 May 1838 at Stroud age 17 - the IGI has him as a son of Ben and Ann (again a submitted entry though).

[willowwah]

hi thanks, yet again

I hadn't even heard of a William that was part of this family.

The reason i presumed that it was my John is that the person he stole from is Sophia Aldridge, Sophia was the mother of Ann Perryn Aldridge

I have a death cert for Benjamin IRELAND died 21st Feb 1838, Horsley, Male, in the age section there is a mark which could be a  1 or could just be a line , occupation is pauper, cause of death is decline, informant is the Master of the Workhouse, present at death.

so for now I've been unable to confirm a link.

btw what is NBI2 ?

[Geoff E]

The reason i presumed that it was my John is that the person he stole from is Sophia Aldridge, Sophia was the mother of Ann Perryn Aldridge

I have a death cert for Benjamin IRELAND died 21st Feb 1838, Horsley, Male, in the age section there is a mark which could be a  1 or could just be a line , occupation is pauper, cause of death is decline, informant is the Master of the Workhouse, present at death.

btw what is NBI2 ?

I don't doubt that the thief was your John.  I was remarking that the age in 1841 and the prison calendar both suggested he was born in the 1820s and not as you said in 1817.

In view of Ben's decline (and Ann's age), I wonder if Emma was actually a grandchild, daughter of an unknown daughter.  Do you actually have any baptisms or are you having to work from censuses?

NBI2 is National Burial Index (2nd edition) - it doesn't have Horsley burials at all, and Stroud only from 1835-40.

[AngelaR]

I don't know how much hassle it is for you to get to the Gloucester Record Office, Geoff, but I live 10 minutes away from Stroud Library, which has parish record microfiche for the parish church. If looking up relevant baptisms and burials there would help, I'm happy to do so! I don't want to butt in if there's no need however 

One thing does puzzle me though - how can Benjamin not know about the marriage thing if they'd been calling the banns for the previous 3 weeks? (unless he was drunk for the whole time of course.....)

Angela